Regular M305 vs shorty M305
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Its junk thats why !! Sell it all to me cheap and save yourself alot of headaches ......OK seriously check the op rod spring guide locking pin is installed correctly and not sticking out the side of the receiver , on my Shorty I had to remove some material from the stock under the trigger pads and the trigger guard to get it to fit in my USGI stock. I think the new Shorty receivers may be of a little smaller dimension , at least mine is compared to my 2 polytechs and a couple other Norincos I compared it to.
If it will not fit in your USGI after you check the pin remove a little at a time on your stock in the places shown in the pic until it will fit and pass the trigger test after assembly
If it will not fit in your USGI after you check the pin remove a little at a time on your stock in the places shown in the pic until it will fit and pass the trigger test after assembly
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calgaryhkguy
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Any trick for getting the piston out. Seems like the bayonet lug is in the way and didn't want to force it. It's still new 
Any trick for getting the piston out. Seems like the bayonet lug is in the way and didn't want to force it. It's still new
Heh -- I removed the bayonet lug from mine...[hacksaw; mill file]. There may be a way of rotating the gas assembly so it's clear, but I'll leave that for someone else to explain. You can also remove the flash hider and mount it sideways, but then the vents will act weird since they're designed to direct gasses upward rather than sideways. My way was simplest...I don't care about bayonets. If I ever have to use a blade against zombies, it will be my trusty katana.
yea, strip the action from the stock, take out the gas plug, loosen the collar and slide it forward, then rotate the gas assembly- then turn the gas housing to clear the bayonet lug- point it downwards and your piston should fall out
Heh -- I removed the bayonet lug from mine...[hacksaw; mill file]. There may be a way of rotating the gas assembly so it's clear, but I'll leave that for someone else to explain. You can also remove the flash hider and mount it sideways, but then the vents will act weird since they're designed to direct gasses upward rather than sideways. My way was simplest...I don't care about bayonets. If I ever have to use a blade against zombies, it will be my trusty katana.
hello, BUBBA
My new shorty fits the plastic stock very tight, and it fits my usgi stock well too. No issues at all. I also knocked the flash hider off, which helps with disassembly and removal of the piston. I hope to take it out tommorrow. I wasn't always sold on the shorty, but I love the look of it, now that I have one. I am still trying to figure out the comment that this deal is overvalued??? This shorty is just as nice as my 2007, and it didn't come with choo wood!!
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- Squamish, BC
I just read this thread but no one jumped in and said the ammo on the combo deal was non-corrosive. Where'd you hear differently? $200 over market value? What book is that from?
The first CanAm deal was a M14 shortie and a 1000 of Nork non-corrosive for $800
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=654066
And then he came out with another combo deal called the "Encore" were it is a M14 shortie and 1060 rds of Czech ammo that is corrosive for $850"
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=665772
This encore deal was the one that I was reffering to as $200 over market value due to the fact it was being sold with corrosive ammo. There is no way on god's green earth I would ever think corrosive ammo would be worth more than non-corosive ammo period. Never mind the $50 more. Hence meaning that if this deal was around $650 for the shortie and the corrosive Czech ammo it would be worth buying. But again honestly the M14 cleaning with corrosive ammo equals one big a pain in the butt. As the lack of cleaning the M14 rifle and it still running like a champ I think is one of it's major advanatges. Hell I only clean my barrel quickley after a trip to the range and do a detail strip down once or maybe twice a year depending if I shot alot of rounds threw it or if full metal jacket is on tv.
Okay getting a little off the op but I think you understand better my idea on it.
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- Squamish, BC
You are correct sir, my misunderstanding. And I completely agree with you on the corrosive thing. I would basically need it for free or I wouldn't buy/shoot it. Cleaning my rifle with hot water immediately after use and re-oiling?? I don't think so. I love the M14 becuase it doesn't need to be cleaned!
M305
Ok, so I am interested in buying a M305/M14 by Norinco in the next few months for target and having fun at the range. I most likely wont be hunting with this rifle as I own a Browning BLR .308 with scope for that purpose. I want it for learning to shoot with open sights and getting good at off hand and other shooting positions. I am stuck between the regular 22" barrel and the 18.5" "shorty". The shorty might be a nice handy little rifle but I am worried about the 18.5" barrel and the big 7.62 round. Would the smaller barrel have some drawbacks when shooting the .308? I think I would loose some FPS for sure but would accuracy suffer as well? I want to eventually become a beginner hand loader and develop some accurate rounds for the M-305/M-14 so would I be better off with the full size 22" barrel?
Ok, so I am interested in buying a M305/M14 by Norinco in the next few months for target and having fun at the range. I most likely wont be hunting with this rifle as I own a Browning BLR .308 with scope for that purpose. I want it for learning to shoot with open sights and getting good at off hand and other shooting positions. I am stuck between the regular 22" barrel and the 18.5" "shorty". The shorty might be a nice handy little rifle but I am worried about the 18.5" barrel and the big 7.62 round. Would the smaller barrel have some drawbacks when shooting the .308? I think I would loose some FPS for sure but would accuracy suffer as well? I want to eventually become a beginner hand loader and develop some accurate rounds for the M-305/M-14 so would I be better off with the full size 22" barrel?
you DO lose some velocity with a shorter barrel, but on the other hand the shorter barrel is stiffer, and has less "whip" than a standard-however, with any m14 , it's all about "plinking" or hunting accuracy, as it was never designed as a TARGET gun in the first place , but a battle rifle-you'll never get target gun groups out of it- oh, sure, you may get "tight"- i can get moa out of mine, but not half moa- so you have to define "accurate"- and half of that equation is LOAD DEVELOPMENT- just like any rifle, or any barrel for that matter, it's only going to be accurate if you TAKE THE TIME and develop loads for it- most folks buy the "shorty" b/c they're willing to sacrifice the long end of the spectrum for handiness- even back in the day, there were lots of troops that wanted to lop that extra foot or so offthe end of the fn-
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T-star,... I've been shooting for over 40 years and have owned scores of rifle of all types from HB varmints to service rifles to tack driving sporters. MOA,.... if it is repeatable, is "VERY" accurate in my books ,I don't care who you are, where or what you shoot. Consistent 1/4 moa 1/2 moa is superlative, and in a precision class not normally fielded for battle or hunting, except perhaps HB tuned varmint rigs, and these are not what we are talking about, full power battle/hunting rifles.
Today we are getting bombarded by too many multi- thousand dollar, purpose built, laser beam shooting rigs, being fired over several kilometers on YouTube, with their sub MOA capabilities. Interesting to say the least but in a 762NATO semi, do need it.
An M-14, or any hunting rig for that matter ,that will consistently group MOA is a very, very precious package, and one I can do anything with that needs to be done with given center- fire cartridge.
So your M-14, tuned and load developed, is a "VERY" accurate battle rifle, and may not be duplicated by many others.
i NEVER said it was repeatable- i said i CAN- that's on a confined range, bench, bipod in place, and at 100 yards- all 20 rounds group the size of a quarter- with no fliers-i've also got quarter sized 3 shot groups out of a model 94 in 44 mag at 100 yards- but again those have been pure luck and the gods being with me- i CANNOT duplicate it on demand- it took YEARS to develop those loads, even starting with zediker's match loads- and i don't know how long he spent at the bench; moreover, i can't duplicate that feat now b/c of that stupid 5 shot rule- that alone requires shifting position for a mag change, and there goes all your "settling in" and rythm
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When I say "load development" I am talking about finding a load that offers good accuracy 1"-3" groups at 100 yards and is easy and cheap to produce (powder, brass, bullet) wise. Im not entering any competitions with this rifle I just wanna have some fun and maybe shoot some good groups in the process.
I am just undecided on what barrel length to choose for the 7.62x51 Nato round? Like I say it will be used at the range to punch paper, smack gongs, and destroy pumpkins. I just want to get good at shooting a service rifle or battle rifle the way a soldier would have been trained, I wanna be a good shot with the M-14.
I am just undecided on what barrel length to choose for the 7.62x51 Nato round? Like I say it will be used at the range to punch paper, smack gongs, and destroy pumpkins. I just want to get good at shooting a service rifle or battle rifle the way a soldier would have been trained, I wanna be a good shot with the M-14.
Buy both, try and sell the one you dont like, these are so cheap these days that if i was undecided i would get both, i had a standard and had it cut to 18.75 and guess what happened, the shorty came out a week later from CanAm. If i had known i would have just got a shorty and tried it.
Ok, I just got finished ordering a M-305 Shorty from Canadaammo.com
Looking foward to getting this rifle, great service from Chris at CanAm!!! Anybody else order a shorty from them that has had it out to the range yet? How do you like it?
Looking foward to getting this rifle, great service from Chris at CanAm!!! Anybody else order a shorty from them that has had it out to the range yet? How do you like it?
