OK boys, talk me into a Savage

[aprilfoolsme]

Ahhh, I see, so Savage is the "Rifleman's Rifle" of the 21st Century. I better get rid of my Kimbers,Winchesters and Remingtons so I don't come across as a snob.

So do tell, if they are of the same quality, why are they so cheap? Does Savage make less profit per firearm? Not likely.

They are a riflemans rifle becuase they just work and can and do shoot every bit as well as your more expensive guns

less profit per gun yeah you betcha they do, its impossible not to make less money on cheaper guns its like asking if they make as much money on a KIA as they do a Ferari, its a no brainer.

But those cheaper guns can and do work better

And if your expensive guns work so much better then why stop there
http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/details/14617/Manton-and-Co-470-NE-Double-Rifle.aspx

Put your money where your mouth is

 

[Grizzlypeg]

Savage has some ways of cutting cost, without being detrimental to function. The finish on the cheapie savage I owned was anything but labour intensive. The barrel nut headspacing likely allowed some time to be saved in barrel installation. The 10MLII muzzle loader I have, and will not part with, enjoys a common platform with the bolt action rifles, something that makes it strong, cheaper to produce, and unfortunately a little heavy.

 

[bearkilr]

They are a riflemans rifle becuase they just work and can and do shoot every bit as well as your more expensive guns

less profit per gun yeah you betcha they do, its impossible not to make less money on cheaper guns its like asking if they make as much money on a KIA as they do a Ferari, its a no brainer.

But those cheaper guns can and do work better

And if your expensive guns work so much better then why stop there
http://www.wolverinesupplies.com/details/14617/Manton-and-Co-470-NE-Double-Rifle.aspx

Put your money where your mouth is

I can't really make sense of your post, so it's difficult to formulate a reply.

 

[hometownhero]

I can't really make sense of your post, so it's difficult to formulate a reply.

I think he is basically saying if dollar value make a rifle so much better then that one has to be one of the best ever

 

[Whitetail Junkie]

I guess that you can't read between the lines. Quality of material, fit and finish, balance, crisp trigger pull, smooth action, guaranted accuracy, etc. These are the qualities that higher priced firearms have over Savage. This is the third time I mentioned this...........get it?

Even though you have never owned\shot a Savage I agree with you Track...

over time on this forum aswell as other shooting forums that I frequent,you always hear of the Various problems with savage Rifles...For instance one guy in this thread mentioned that his trigger malfunctioned and it cost him 2 whitetail doe's.Could you imagine if that was a 170"+ buck ....he missed because of the trigger on the savage rifle!

aswell there is a guy in the precision rifle forum who took his NIB savge to the range and couldnt get it to group.upon further inspection he noticed that the rifleing near the muzzle of the barrel was missing aswell part of the inside of the barrel was crushed flat....Is that quility?? Would you find that as often in a cooper\sako\weatherby\Merkel\blaser\heym\kimber\sauer,etc?

I know people on a personal level who have had problems with savage rifles,and to me I dont like the craftsmanship that is put into them,because in all honesty,there is NO craftsmanship,savage is just a utilatarian mass produced Firearm.

I'm sorry but thats just what they are.

 

[archie_james_c]

Ahhh, I see, so Savage is the "Rifleman's Rifle" of the 21st Century. I better get rid of my Kimbers,Winchesters and Remingtons so I don't come across as a snob.

So do tell, if they are of the same quality, why are they so cheap? Does Savage make less profit per firearm? Not likely.

Wow this thread went AWOL! Unobtanium, trophy bucks, name callin, fine firearm this, better than Sako that, Kimbers, Savages and even PlasTikkas bein thrown in there...



One thing that always makes me giggle is guys saying they're just as reliable as any to put them to work hard.

Do you see a lot of the AK/Northern BC guys slumming Savages?

...Just saying.

 

[sksavenger]

Wow this thread went AWOL! Unobtanium, trophy bucks, name callin, fine firearm this, better than Sako that, Kimbers, Savages and even PlasTikkas bein thrown in there...



One thing that always makes me giggle is guys saying they're just as reliable as any to put them to work hard.

Do you see a lot of the AK/Northern BC guys slumming Savages?

...Just saying.

Yep...you are right. Hunting Saskatchewans table top flat terrain in the warm dry hunting seasons we get, is not challenging at all. We just sit here in our blinds and wait for the deer to walk right in front of us. Just like on TV

 

[archie_james_c]

Yep...you are right. Hunting Saskatchewans table top flat terrain in the warm dry hunting seasons we get, is not challenging at all. We just sit here in our blinds and wait for the deer to walk right in front of us. Just like on TV

Well I'm glad you've come to terms with that. You all (Savage and non-savage shooters) realize none of us are going to give in and admit defeat?

 

[sksavenger]

Well I'm glad you've come to terms with that. You all (Savage and non-savage shooters) realize none of us are going to give in and admit defeat?

No, I just realize there are way to many experts that know it all about everything cause they saw it on TV or read it on the internet

 

[sedgr]

Wow this thread went AWOL! Unobtanium, trophy bucks, name callin, fine firearm this, better than Sako that, Kimbers, Savages and even PlasTikkas bein thrown in there...



One thing that always makes me giggle is guys saying they're just as reliable as any to put them to work hard.

Do you see a lot of the AK/Northern BC guys slumming Savages?

...Just saying.

Didn't you leave this thread before when you couldn't come up with the magical AK/BC conditions that Savages constantly fail at where more expensive rifles perform flawlessly?

So I guess you still didn't think of any and were hoping the same vague argument will get treated as fact this time?

 

[j.krug]

OK, so I got in on the Axis package deal and got a stainless in 22-250. Got out today to do some shooting. Took five shots to sight it in and then my young nephew shot this group at 100yds. Everything stock out of the box. Every bit as good as my Tikka. I see more Savages in my future.

Nice! Glad to hear you like your new Savage in 22-250. I've been kickin around the idea of getting one in the same caliber.

 

[Whitetail Junkie]

No, I just realize there are way to many experts that know it all about everything cause they saw it on TV or read it on the internet

When I hunt in saskatchewan,(the last 13 years) about 95% of SK resident hunters I noticed are hunting out of there trucks\cars\quads,driving through the fields or on the roads as im still hunting.

No big secret on how alot of people hunt deer in sK and alberta for that matter!

 

[sksavenger]

When I hunt in saskatchewan,(the last 13 years) about 95% of SK resident hunters I noticed are hunting out of there trucks\cars\quads,driving through the fields or on the roads as im still hunting.

No big secret on how alot of people hunt deer in sK and alberta for that matter!

Ahhh. So that tells you how I hunt? And what percentage of Sask hunters did you see?

 

[archie_james_c]

Didn't you leave this thread before when you couldn't come up with the magical AK/BC conditions that Savages constantly fail at where more expensive rifles perform flawlessly?

So I guess you still didn't think of any and were hoping the same vague argument will get treated as fact this time?

No I went to bed because I had to drive 4 hours out of town today to sign some trades papers. I just got home and seen the blow up. Good on you for jumping to conclusions though.


So as I said before, know any serious, rough terrain hunters that run Savage or Tikka?

Besides the fact the triggers are over engineered chit, the rifles are as accurate/innacurrate as any others out of the box, are no less or more expensive than equally competing guns, and have chinsy chit mag systems, no I can't think of anything else against them.


FWIW I can also find a lot wrong with other guns, including my own. But you don't want to hear that. You just want me, to hate Savage...and I do that ####in well....

 

[sksavenger]

No I went to bed because I had to drive 4 hours out of town today to sign some trades papers. I just got home and seen the blow up. Good on you for jumping to conclusions though.


So as I said before, know any serious, rough terrain hunters that run Savage or Tikka?

Besides the fact the triggers are over engineered chit, the rifles are as accurate/innacurrate as any others out of the box, are no less or more expensive than equally competing guns, and have chinsy chit mag systems, no I can't think of anything else against them.


FWIW I can also find a lot wrong with other guns, including my own. But you don't want to hear that. You just want me, to hate Savage...and I do that f**kin well....

Why ask? You obviously know exactly what terrain evryone on this forum hunts in. After all, you know what kinda terrain I hunt. It must be cause you are just so friggin smart archie

 

[Whitetail Junkie]

Ahhh. So that tells you how I hunt? And what percentage of Sask hunters did you see?

No im in no way saying thats how you hunt.its just that I dont see things in saskatchewan and alberta on TV\Internet,im there in Ground zero seeing this stuff with my own eyes,and its no secret how many people in saskatchewan hunt out of there truck,or over a pile of bait.Road hunting is very bad in alberta aswell.

 

[track]

I never classed them as a "fine firearm". Although i was looking for personal experiences backing your statement that they are "junk". And you have made it clear that you have none. And I asked for examples of how your "fine firearms" would get the job done any better in a real world hunting situation. Your best argument was filet minion is better than balogna. And that wasn't name calling so much as just describing your qualities...my appolagies

I don't want any personal hunting or shooting experiences with a Savage rifle nor will I in the future. The one that I handled in the sporting good store was enough time to spend with a Savage. Savages are "junk". It is what it is. Bite the bullet buddy and stop hunting with "ugly" and buy something that has class and quality..........at least a Ruger #1.

 

[sksavenger]

I don't want any personal hunting or shooting experiences with a Savage rifle nor will I in the future. The one that I handled in the sporting good store was enough time to spend with a Savage. Savages are "junk". It is what it is. Bite the bullet buddy and stop hunting with "ugly" and buy something that has class and quality..........at least a Ruger #1.

Good argument

 

[sedgr]

No I went to bed because I had to drive 4 hours out of town today to sign some trades papers. I just got home and seen the blow up. Good on you for jumping to conclusions though.


So as I said before, know any serious, rough terrain hunters that run Savage or Tikka?

Besides the fact the triggers are over engineered chit, the rifles are as accurate/innacurrate as any others out of the box, are no less or more expensive than equally competing guns, and have chinsy chit mag systems, no I can't think of anything else against them.


FWIW I can also find a lot wrong with other guns, including my own. But you don't want to hear that. You just want me, to hate Savage...and I do that f**kin well....

Still nothing hey? I keep asking you for the conditions and you keep on avoiding it like the plague. Keep on keeping on, I don't ever expect a real metric to compare with from you.

Rough terrain hunters use Savages just fine. There's several in this thread that have already talked about them. Same as they use everything else. If you're asking if I can name a guy from one of the TV shows I can't, but then again that's really more my problem than the Savages, I just don't watch enough TV I guess.

Over-engineered? I think the compaint you were looking for is Overly Complicated. Not that its true mind you, but Over-engineered would generally be regarded as a good thing.

Accurate? Covered to death already even just in this thread alone, accuracy is excellent. If the worst you can say is they are as accurate as other very accurate rifles I'm not even sure what the complaint is.

No less expensive? Since people keep wanting to compare them to much more expensive rifles that doesn't seem to be the case. Compared to rifles at the same price point I think the Savages tend to be a bit better, but I haven't shot every cheap rifle in existence so I can't really say.

Mag system? Seems to operate just fine, though I tend to think it takes a bit more pressure to seat than is really needed. If that's the price you pay for saving this kind of money I'll take it and call myself lucky.

But please, keep coming and trolling the thread, if it soothes the sting of paying far more for rifles that don't perform any better it's probably well worth the time.

 

[MadDog]

Ya, Savages have no reason to be anywhere close to being listed as "Fine Rifles". If I wouldn't look so prejudiced I would have locked this thread when it started going south pages ago when the name calling started.