Safe room is good advice

FYI, saying that you want to arm yourself and your wife with home defense is a poor choice, under current law such action will land you in jail. You cannot own a firearm for the purpose of self defense against another human -especially in urban environment. If I were you I would focus one making one of your room a panic room instead. Have a door that can't be easily broken into. Keep a phone (cellphone or landline) for calling police. Store your firearm in there, create backstops opposite side to the entrance of the door.

Remember self defense right in Canada says that you can use equal force to retaliate. It does not mean you can hunt them down.
 
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12 guage birdshot is at best a questionable home defense round.

.410 birdshot is nothing short of a joke!

If your chosen ammo can't penetrate drywall, how do you expect it to stop a badguy hell bent on attacking you or your wife?
 
Thanks yingtsay for the advice.
We are researching your suggestions and upgrading the security surrounding our situation.
 
I can recall seeing a clip of a guy taking just the wad from a 12ga at close range. They were making a budget film and tried to make their own blanks by removing the shot from the shell.

I saw it on one of those "caught on film" shows that are on TV. And the recipient of the wad went down handily. I have no doubt a load of 7.5 or 8 shot would have ruined his day.

Just to add I am not advocating the use of birdshot for defense but a load to the chest at home defence range is not something to take lightly.
 
klaus enuff said:
I can recall seeing a clip of a guy taking just the wad from a 12ga at close range. They were making a budget film and tried to make their own blanks by removing the shot from the shell.

I saw it on one of those "caught on film" shows that are on TV. And the recipient of the wad went down handily. I have no doubt a load of 7.5 or 8 shot would have ruined his day.

Just to add I am not advocating the use of birdshot for defense but a load to the chest at home defence range is not something to take lightly.
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In Canada the only reason to shoot someone is the immediate threat of your life or someone elses! Meaning they have a gun pointed at you or a knife to your wifes throat, etc. If this is the case and you find yourself in such a situation do you trust birdshot to put the bad guy down and out IMMEDIATELY?

FFS, the argument between 9mm, and .45 acp is bad enough, lets not try and bring birdshot into this equation again!
 
Oh, and the tacticool SKS in the Newbie OP's Avatar screams mallninja, as does the original post in this thread.

The best advice you are gonna get has already been given by Yingtsay. I would take it, and ask the mods or admin to delete this thread, before it can be or is used against you!
 
I underlined and bolded the one part of my statement that you should read even if you don't read the rest of it.

Not trying to get into an arguement or even the legalities of defence in Canada. Acting like birdshot just bounces off (especially at the range it would be fired at; inside a house or room) reminds me of statements I have seen on here from some peoples thinking about how .22s are slightly better than BB guns. :rolleyes:

I treat all my guns with the ultimate respect for what they are capable of. But if I ever had to load my 12ga for protection against the 2 legged predators I am reaching for the 00buck. ;)

klaus enuff said:
I can recall seeing a clip of a guy taking just the wad from a 12ga at close range. They were making a budget film and tried to make their own blanks by removing the shot from the shell.

I saw it on one of those "caught on film" shows that are on TV. And the recipient of the wad went down handily. I have no doubt a load of 7.5 or 8 shot would have ruined his day.

Just to add I am not advocating the use of birdshot for defense but a load to the chest at home defence range is not something to take lightly.
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I did not intend to make a big deal or upset anyone.
I was simply looking for a piece of info for self knowledge.
I do not condone the use of a firearm for personal defense.
Thanks for the sensible advice from those who provided it.
 
i vote fot some 00 or 000 buckshot , and if you have nothing else than some birdshot well use them i am sure if the badguy(s) get some in the face, chest or any body part that wont be the best day of is life but i don't think the last ...
 
i have lived most my life outside a small community in NE BC, i have seldom lock my house when i leave,(my dad taught me locks only keep your friends out)or at night , leave my keys in my vehicals(so i dont loose them).
with all the influx of transients with the economic boom the last few years, i guess i should change my attitude towards home security,i cannot imagine having to use a firearm against a human, but if harm to myself or my loved ones were the threat, i wouldnt hesitate!
MOVE!
 
Birdshot

mlehtovaara said:
f:P:

12 guage birdshot is at best a questionable home defense round.

.410 birdshot is nothing short of a joke!

If your chosen ammo can't penetrate drywall, how do you expect it to stop a badguy hell bent on attacking you or your wife?
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Not going to weigh in on the legal aspect of defense but.......

As a professional Paramedic I have seen several close range 12g birdshot human wounds. I can asssure you they are devastating.
At room distance they haven,t opened much if at all and deliver all the energy including wad which is usually found in the wound channel.

I would have every confidence in birdshot at room distance and it is the least likely to over penetrate either the target or other medium.
 
There are plenty of websites that discuss personal preparations and household security. Everything from outdoor standoff distances to reinforced interior hiding places, qualify as personal preparations. If you want to evade and wait out the burglars or home invaders, that is one thing. Discussing firearms and self-defence changes the conversation completely.

If you doubt your legal knowledge and arcs of fire, always consult a criminal-defence lawyer. The case law for self-defence is always changing.
 
terez said:
Not going to weigh in on the legal aspect of defense but.......

As a professional Paramedic I have seen several close range 12g birdshot human wounds. I can asssure you they are devastating.
At room distance they haven,t opened much if at all and deliver all the energy including wad which is usually found in the wound channel.

I would have every confidence in birdshot at room distance and it is the least likely to over penetrate either the target or other medium.
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Truly. While 00 might leave 30 big holes, 400 #7 pellets will make mush out a 5" diameter circle on a person.

Far easier to find 30 pellets and fix that, than trying to fix the other one. You can't suture jell-o
 
terez said:
Not going to weigh in on the legal aspect of defense but.......

As a professional Paramedic I have seen several close range 12g birdshot human wounds. I can asssure you they are devastating.
At room distance they haven,t opened much if at all and deliver all the energy including wad which is usually found in the wound channel.

I would have every confidence in birdshot at room distance and it is the least likely to over penetrate either the target or other medium.
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Devastatin?

Were you there to see how quick the guy went down?

While I agree birdshot is going to do a huge amount of damage it will not instantly stop an intruder as proper defensive ammo will. Likely the perp would bleed out rather than die from damage to the vitals.

There are several documented cases of people being shot at point blank range with birdshot and then either walking some distance or continjing an attack anx at the verg least remaining awake and alert.

Last time i had this argument I posted a youtube video of a guy who got shot point blank in the chest with a shotgun and was able to get up and walk a good distance to the road to get help.
 
Got Juice? said:
Truly. While 00 might leave 30 big holes, 400 #7 pellets will make mush out a 5" diameter circle on a person.

Far easier to find 30 pellets and fix that, than trying to fix the other one. You can't suture jell-o
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It only takes 1 buckshot pellet to turn someones heart to jello!

The birdshot lacks the penetration to get there!

Overpenetration is a problem easily addressed with a well laid out and practiced defence plan. This will serve you much better than loading up your gun with birdshot!
 
I saw that clip you posted, I am pretty sure it was that kid in Detroit right?

Now did that kid beat his attacker to death before he walked to the road? As I recall he got up and STUMBLED to the road before collapsing AND he almost died in hospital. And if his attacker had stuck around to finish the job there would have been nothing the kid could have done to stop him.

Sounds pretty incapacitating to me.
 
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