Metis hunting rights in Manitoba

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shanedapane said:
I'm about ready to give up wasting my time in this thread. Nobody against it is adding anything new. All about equality.

What does it have to do with laws being equal? If you go to a courtroom, you will see natives and metis treated just as equal as caucasians. Counselors don't ask you as your name is read off a docket "do you belong to a minority?"
This is about cultural/heritage practices, and in that case, why should different types of practices be treated as equal? We would either all be wearing turbans to make it equal, or forcing those to take them off. That's just an example of equality.
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This is not correct. Are you not aware of the Gladue decision for starters? There are variety of laws that ensure natives are held to lower legal standards or vastly different standards than other Canadian citizens. Its part of our legal system and has been so for the last few decades.

People either support equal application of laws and rights or they dont. If you feel that having a two tiered racialist type system is laudable, I am not sure what to say. I disagree and would prefer to see all citizens afforded the same rights and freedoms uniformly across the country.

I disagree with the idea that its about culture as well. Asians, Africans and Europeans have all practiced hunting in their respective regions for equally as long as aboriginals.
 
USP said:
Two tiered race based regulations should be abolished.
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Well thats up to you...Organize your protest..

When the natives here in Ont were fighting for their rights they had many large number gatherings on Parliament hill..That is why they got what they have...Never seen any groups protesting against:rolleyes:.
 
Treated equally in the court system!?!?!? What a bad bad joke.
I presently live in Cold Lake and we have a small courthouse in town. It is a fact the judges presiding there consistantly hand down more lenient sentences to those with names similar to "Folding Knife" or "January" or "Gladstone" Anyone who has lived up here for any amount of time know exactly the family names of whom I speak of. Meanwhile others of non-native background consistantly attract more stricter sentences for similar crimes.

come back with the facts or go elsewhere
 
bearkilr said:
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Wow, now there's an uneducated comment. You need to brush up on your history a bit, this is exactly how it has played out for hundreds of years, globally.
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No, you need to work on your reading comprehension. I know how civilization has evolved, what I said was ...

In order for that to be true, then it must be ok for the conquest of civilizations by others, which then impose thier own rules and values on the conquered.
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Was it ok for Germany to invade Poland, remove religous freedom, etc? No it was not, and for England & France to colonize Upper & Lower Canada and prohibit a way of life would be equally "not ok".
 
Native or Aboriginal hunting rights are written in stone over in Ottawa. They will never change as long as there is one last animal to be harvested. As for the Metis people, some broke game laws and were subsequently charged. MMF and others with plenty of taxpayers dollars challenged it. The issue went to the Supreme Court of Canada, which decided in favor of the Metis. As far as I know Manitoba still does not recognize these "rights" but has chosen to turn a blind eye. Further, I work with over 900 guys, may of whom are Metis. One guys still trying to get his fourth and final deer.
 
USP said:
Unequal application of the law is descriminatory. Having descrimination in the past was wrong, having it now in the present is equally wrong. Trying to right a percieved historical wrong by enacting current descriminatory hunting rules and regulations still ends up with active legislated descrimination.

Some believe that because they are not being descriminated against currently that the laws are now correct and balanced. This is wrong.

Either we are all equal in the eyes of the law and have equal access as Canadian citizens to wild game and hunting rules and regulations or we dont.

Two tiered race based regulations should be abolished. Anybody who supports this two tiered system are the real racists. Claiming those who want an equal and level system of being racist is a weak and disingenious tactic.

The idea that somebody should be afforded more or less rights due to ethniticity or skin colour, its offensive, is likes something out of 1930s Mississipi or Nazi Germany.
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This argument works insofar as you value equality above all, with the conquerer making the rules.

The issue here is that in order to achieve equality, you must remove rights of the previous inhabitants.

Equality by oppression.

And it is your system that is racist, the rules making power came over on the Kings boats and still is done in the name of the queen. That monarchist rule-making is gone haywire. Your own right to self defence is moot, given the policy of disarmament.

I say, make the rules equal, why shouldn't people of any race be able to become subsistence hunters?

Equality through freedom.
 
jwstewart said:
No, you need to work on your reading comprehension. I know how civilization has evolved, what I said was ...



Was it ok for Germany to invade Poland, remove religous freedom, etc? No it was not, and for England & France to colonize Upper & Lower Canada and prohibit a way of life would be equally "not ok".
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There are many instances in history which are "not OK". However, I don't see other countries trying to correct the wrongs of their forefathers by discrimination and racism. That's what is happening in Canada.
 
jwstewart said:
This argument works insofar as you value equality above all, with the conquerer making the rules.

The issue here is that in order to achieve equality, you must remove rights of the previous inhabitants.

Equality by oppression.

And it is your system that is racist, the rules making power came over on the Kings boats and still is done in the name of the queen. That monarchist rule-making is gone haywire. Your own right to self defence is moot, given the policy of disarmament.

I say, make the rules equal, why shouldn't people of any race be able to become subsistence hunters?

Equality through freedom.
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Nice spin. However, if all were obliged to play by the same rules, it would not negate any ones right of hunting for subsistence. We would all just be hunting at the same time, with no advantage to any. Some may just have to work a little harder to do it.
 
captonion said:
What r you goin to do about it???
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What can be done about it? Nothing? Anything that is said is construed as being racist and as the war of words and accusations rages on from both sides, conservation and game management goes out the window! There are only losers on all sides of this issue white, non white and the wildlife. We all need to protect the land, animals and way of life we love. There are already too many forces against us, and as hunters (no matter what race, creed or color) we will lose as a divided,bickering group. I think I've said as much as I'm going to on this thread, and I'd be glad to sit down and have a beer with you Enfield303.
 
gtrussell said:
That ship has sailed!
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Big Game said:
What can be done about it? Nothing?
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This right here is why things are the way they are...
The people who are against, far outnumber the ones for...If they were to stand together as did the natives, it would not go unnoticed...Anything else is just lip service, and leaves no reason to complain...
Truth be told the ones that are against it are too easy to give up, or far to lazy to do anything about it....
 
I know natives get off easy lol. As I said in that post I'm ready to give up on this topic. That was just "stoking the fire".

I won't be reading this one thread again, so I'll leave on a friendly note and say if you're against unequal rights, PM me your screen name and I'll write it on one of my tags in July so I can harvest in your honor.

I've got in a bit of a tangle with a hunter who seen one of my tags on a deer in my truck. I would assume he bites his tongue about it a bit more, after how that worked out for him.
 
captonion said:
This right here is why things are the way they are...
The people who are against, far outnumber the ones for...If they were to stand together as did the natives, it would not go unnoticed...Anything else is just lip service, and leaves no reason to complain...
Truth be told the ones that are against it are too easy to give up, or far to lazy to do anything about it....
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You're quite wrong. The ones against treaty hunting rights are few and far between. The majority of Canadian citizens still feel they owe the natives something since that's what society and the media has been telling them. Hence, it's political suicide for any politician to touch this subject or any topic about First Nations, for that matter.
Take the Attawaspiskat fiasco as an example. Did the media report the truth? Did they disclose in truth what's been happening on that reserve and what they've been doing with their $35,000,000/year? The only report I saw that was relatively unbiased was Ezra Levant on Sun News. Don't think for a minute that the CBC,CTV or Global would air anything like that.
Everyone is afraid to speak up against anything to do with a "minority", for fear of being labeled a racist.
Someday, this attitude may change, however it may be too late.
 
This thread is ridiculous, aboriginal people have been hunting,trapping and fishing these ways long before there was Government. It should stay that way, anyone fighting for more laws should shake their head. If someone is out of line when taking game, the community deals with them pretty quick.
 
bearkilr said:
You're quite wrong. The ones against treaty hunting rights are few and far between. .
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How many hunters do you know that are OK with it???? Nobody buys licences in protest...Thats alot of money....Government would indeed listen...That would make news...

Ever see even one protest against native hunting rights? Ever see the natives protest to gain these rights? Then people say natives are lazy...They certainly were not fighting for their rights....
 
noneck180 said:
This thread is ridiculous, aboriginal people have been hunting,trapping and fishing these ways long before there was Government. It should stay that way, anyone fighting for more laws should shake their head. If someone is out of line when taking game, the community deals with them pretty quick.
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I agree. One condition, please return my pickup,quad, rifle and spotlight and continue hunting your traditional ways.
 
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