Black Guns, Industry and Ethics.
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lemon would be an understatement on the POS they returned to the customer after they had supposedly serviced the BCG.
and yes...this is what NEA returned as "fixed"
Buying NEA gets you these exclusive hand carved bolts! LOL!
Seriously you get what you pay for and NEA is junk!!! I bought an LMT MRP and this rifle is f-ing flawless! There is not even a single tool mark on this thing and Upper and Lower are tight like a tiger!!!
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- East ontario
why not?
Just because some one told you that 556 wass an owner does not meen it was true, they were alot of things going on that you were not aware of .
556 nato is a true gunnut and wanted that KAC as soon as he saw it.
OSTS arangment with 556nato as stated above was not complet unyill just a few day ago.
Now for myself the "other" partner at OSTS i had a very large banner with one shot tactical on it, im my header but GT delelted it.
I asked for another account a week ago he said no its to late.
The main OSTS account is darrens personal Farmboy accout, so i cant use that.
Can you can see the issues ......
Oww and i dont have another account, ive asked many times and been told no.
I go by badboy beeson on over 20 gun forums.
As SFRC is the main dealer for NEA i can understand why ryans pissed off, i would be pissed off too.
I will say two thing in defence of NEA , admitting some of what they did, took balls, as that hard to do.
secondly i did get to see some of the new NEA Nitrate finish bolt carriers and they look very good.
As a small MFG myself i can say eveyone makes mistakes, is all about what you do about it that counts.
NEA is growing faster then RIM in the mid 2000,s sometime this comes at a cost, i think their is somthing to be learned from the past week events.
The main thing i take away from this is , customers are unforgiving when you make a mistake and its a dog eat dog world in the gun biz!!
BBB aka BBB allso knows as badboybeeson
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- SW Ontario
LMT make beautiful rifles and I am sure you got what you paid for. Maybe I was just lucky but I got MORE than what I paid for with my NEA15. "Flawless" is in the eye of the beholder...my NEA is flawless too but perhaps I just don't notice the odd tool mark because of the MADE IN CANADA on the side
I'm glad we are both happy with our ARs but to make a blanket statement that "NEA is junk" makes you sound like someone trying too hard to justify the price you paid for you LMT.
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It may have only become official last week but he's been emailing on OSTS's behalf for a while...first week of Feb from the emails, txt's etc that we have all exchanged. Remember those emails and txts or the conversation 556NAT0 and I had the evening of Feb 2nd when he told me the three of you were business partners with OST.
It was the day after I announced a possible Belleville location, Feb 1st, that I found out you were all partners.
Anyway, point is made, it wasn't appropriate for KevinB to post that. Shows over, maybe KevinB should request this thread be locked before it gets more out of control.
It may have only become official last week but he's been emailing on OSTS's behalf for a while...first week of Feb from the emails, txt's etc that we have all exchanged. Remember those emails and txts or the conversation 556NAT0 and I had the evening of Feb 2nd when he told me the three of you were business partners with OST.
It was the day after I announced a possible Belleville location, Feb 1st, that I found out you were all partners.
Anyway, point is made, it wasn't appropriate for KevinB to post that. Shows over, maybe KevinB should request this thread be locked before it gets more out of control.
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Bolt, not bolts. One. It was from a container of parts that were not for customes. Already explained. It was a key that had been used on another project to test cycling and required a different profile. It was ground, yes. It was never meant to go out the door.
That was already explained, but whats the fun of reposting this without the explanation as well? I guess if your plan is to crap on us at all costs, then this is the place to do it.
With a company employee whos been sending out resumes, and his current employer not doing real great at the moment re sales, it makes you wonder who hes trying to please. I guess if a company that makes crap rifles with shoddy workmanship and poor ethics can nail down more orders, I can see why a sales man would want to go this route.
This will be my last post respinding to this BS. Should anyone have something that requires our attention, we have a section for it. Ill continue to respond there.
Frankly Im suprised that the almmighty KAC had deemed us important enough to slag. They make the best rifles in the industry and still have the time. We do have a lot to learn I guess.
If there is one thing I have learned from this NEA thread, it is that perception is everything.
I have slung my own share of dung at NEA over the sub-par machining quality I have seen on some of their products. Not saying it is all crap, but I have witnesses with my own eyes some pretty ugly stuff.
I had my first batch of our new gas blocks come from the shop a few weeks ago and the gas holes were offset slightly. They would have still worked. I took the finished product to OSTS who was buying part of the first order. After some discussion with Simon and Darren I decided to scrap the whole batch and make them right. It came at a cost, but in the end will be worth it for the potential perception of poor manufacturing that it would have caused. From this I have learned a huge lesson in the importance of good QC. Those parts should have been scrapped the minute I realized there was an issue.
The lesson here for all manufacturers should be that QC is paramount in sustaining a stake of the market. Bad press goes much further than good press and will haunt you for a long time!!
I have slung my own share of dung at NEA over the sub-par machining quality I have seen on some of their products. Not saying it is all crap, but I have witnesses with my own eyes some pretty ugly stuff.
I had my first batch of our new gas blocks come from the shop a few weeks ago and the gas holes were offset slightly. They would have still worked. I took the finished product to OSTS who was buying part of the first order. After some discussion with Simon and Darren I decided to scrap the whole batch and make them right. It came at a cost, but in the end will be worth it for the potential perception of poor manufacturing that it would have caused. From this I have learned a huge lesson in the importance of good QC. Those parts should have been scrapped the minute I realized there was an issue.
The lesson here for all manufacturers should be that QC is paramount in sustaining a stake of the market. Bad press goes much further than good press and will haunt you for a long time!!
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Yeah.. somehow I doubt that.
Manufacturers and dealers are gunnutz too. I think they should have a right to enjoy a personal CGN account without having to carry the burden of representing their company all the time. However, at no time should they attempt to "shill" or defend a product line without clearly identifying who they are or their connection to said company. Ideally, they should log out and rejoin the debate using their company account. It's perhaps cruel and unusual punishment to deny a fellow gunnutz the right to join in on the regular "it's Saturday night: Who's drunk" thread, or "What's the dumbest thing you've ever done with a gun and lived to tell about it?" because it will reflect badly on their company and potentially cost them business.
While I believe a company's products should speak for themselves, I find it disturbing that there are other dealers and manufacturers playing the shill game. NEA has taken their lumps, the others should too. The truth will eventually come out, it always does, so from a PR perspective it makes a lot more sense to get in front of the story and be proactive rather than reactive.
However, what disturbs me most over this whole affair is the separate charges that the CGN EE's integrity is in question and that scammers and thieves known to site moderators and admins are being allowed to continue to operate unchecked and with impunity. How much worse will this get once the LGR is gone?
The EE is a major draw for this site. If it isn't safe to deal there, it will wither and die, and that will most certainly have a negative financial impact on CGN's bottom line and future viability. CGN is a valuable resource to our firearms community. It would be a damn shame to jeopardize that for tens of thousands of honest gun owners for the sake of a few bad apples. EE scammers are a cancer that must be cut out immediately.
While I believe a company's products should speak for themselves, I find it disturbing that there are other dealers and manufacturers playing the shill game. NEA has taken their lumps, the others should too. The truth will eventually come out, it always does, so from a PR perspective it makes a lot more sense to get in front of the story and be proactive rather than reactive.
However, what disturbs me most over this whole affair is the separate charges that the CGN EE's integrity is in question and that scammers and thieves known to site moderators and admins are being allowed to continue to operate unchecked and with impunity. How much worse will this get once the LGR is gone?
The EE is a major draw for this site. If it isn't safe to deal there, it will wither and die, and that will most certainly have a negative financial impact on CGN's bottom line and future viability. CGN is a valuable resource to our firearms community. It would be a damn shame to jeopardize that for tens of thousands of honest gun owners for the sake of a few bad apples. EE scammers are a cancer that must be cut out immediately.
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Exactly, enough said on that...
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=733532
Greentips has answered..
Considering NEA's public admission is only what, 1 or two days old, it's hardly been "dragging on". When you fess up to something (and kudos to them for doing the right thing) you're going to have to expect comments on the situation and not always positive ones at that, and rightly so.
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I have never delt with you directly nor have I purchase any of your product exept a brake. I have to say NO I don t aprovre what you did. You werent wright, others wort right but you got caught! I hate to trow rocks! But the fact that your here taking in the s**t for you mistake speaks hily of you!
On the other hand just like you saide and I agree 100% with you its low of other dealer to diss on you like that.
This tread should not have comme to be.
I not shure why you feel its right to say that bad stuff about nea and say you did some minor bad but fixt it. Its like saying hello everyone our stuff is better!
Again I have never seen your product or nea product exept a brake my point is comme on guys all this is not needed!
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I find kevin's (OP's) conduct in the past more reprehensible than NEA's as I described in a post above.
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