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ghostntheshell
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Hey guys: how about a picture request! I saw a small thumbnail of what appeared to be a german soldier yelling at another soldier who was huddled and crying (the crying german soldier was obviously just a young kid). I have never been able to locate a full sized version of the picture. Anyone know which I'm talking about?
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more likely picked up the MP40 to do some house clearing rather then use his enfield. the enfield is back with the rest of his kit in unit lines.
If you look at the pic, the dispatch rider is holding a No4, so I suspect he was using the MP40 as a personal weapon, and they exchanged guns for the picture.
In the background you can see another soldier with the motorcycle.
On a personal note, my great uncle was a dispatch rider, and he told me about his "in-theater" collection of SMGs.
Since I saw that picture for the first time a few years ago I've wondered if he might be the rider...
Lee Enfield
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That my friend is "ergonomics" at work....
The LRDG mg's are Vickers K or also called GO guns. They took a flat drum mag much like the Bren 100 round drum and at a distance, the only way you can tell is looking at the bottom. The K or GO had a cyclic rate of around 850 to 1000 rpm and they were a real thrill to fire. A literal stream of empties cascaded out and it looked like yellow rain. For such a light mg, they sure "took a beating but kept on ticking". Desert sand which would stop almost anything seemed not to plug up the K gun. Desert sand is much like talcum powder and not the beach sand we know here. Then, it turns into cement when the rain that comes in the desert every four or 5 years hits. It's really something to see flowers in the desert around Tobruk and Alexandria but they are short lived.
@Garand: IMHO ALL beer tastes like warm camel p*ss: full of bubbles and much too bitter. Best stuff I ever had was a Dos Equis black down in Mexico: nice flavour an thick enough you could almost chew it. Even at room temp it tasted fine.
Reisings are a lot of fun. They can be very accurate indeed because they fired from a closed bolt. That long barrel also gave you about 200 ft/sec more than the same ammo out of a Colt. That works out to better than 540ft/lbs ME per round. Poppers go down REAL fast! Guns are dead reliable, too; the troubles were all from mixing parts while cleaning. Numbering the Bolts to the receivers would have prevented this. Reising mags were 12 and 20 rounds only and the 12 rattled something terribly. Fellow in the picture has the 12-round mag, which normally was for police use. They were a great little gun, very much underapprecated. But we live in a Free Country now, so we can't shoot them. Funny though, the law that screws us over never seems to stop the city "ethnic" street gangs; maybe it's part of their culture or something.
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Reisings are a lot of fun. They can be very accurate indeed because they fired from a closed bolt. That long barrel also gave you about 200 ft/sec more than the same ammo out of a Colt. That works out to better than 540ft/lbs ME per round. Poppers go down REAL fast! Guns are dead reliable, too; the troubles were all from mixing parts while cleaning. Numbering the Bolts to the receivers would have prevented this. Reising mags were 12 and 20 rounds only and the 12 rattled something terribly. Fellow in the picture has the 12-round mag, which normally was for police use. They were a great little gun, very much underapprecated. But we live in a Free Country now, so we can't shoot them. Funny though, the law that screws us over never seems to stop the city "ethnic" street gangs; maybe it's part of their culture or something.
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PT- Patrol/Torpedo. Two tubes, one on either side. Used against destroyers, cruisers, merchant ships. Also as a supply boat to guerrilla groups..50 BMG was the usual armament.
A bit of interesting trivia about PT boats. The boats used by the Americans like the famous PT 109, were not very fast.Japs destroyers could outrun and catch them. They were used mostly at night where they could sneak in and do a hit and run. They were effective but notin the way the propaganda showed. The high speeds that were claimed for PT boats were only achived when new off the docks and with no load.
Destroyers were originally built as "torpedo boat destroyers".
Canada used Fairmiles. My sisters father in law served on them for a while.
Destroyers were originally built as "torpedo boat destroyers".
Canada used Fairmiles. My sisters father in law served on them for a while.
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points - Thanks for the information on the pt boats I was doing some reading on them 80 feet long , Powered by three 12-cylinder Packard gasoline engines (one per propeller shaft) Strong wooden hulls of two layers of 1-inch (2.5 cm) mahogany planking. And could accommodate a crew of 3 officers and 14 enlisted, with the typical crew size between 12 and 14.
Cheers
Joe
I was doing some reading on them 80 feet long , Powered by three 12-cylinder Packard gasoline engines (one per propeller shaft) Strong wooden hulls of two layers of 1-inch (2.5 cm) mahogany planking. And could accommodate a crew of 3 officers and 14 enlisted, with the typical crew size between 12 and 14. Cheers
Joe
Destroyers have a nasty habit of being REALLY fast.
Design speed of the Admiralty Modified "R" Class destroyers built in 1917 was 36 knots: 41.5 mph or 66.7 km/h. They were running triple-expansion turbines and lots of steam pressure. I knew an RNAS Observer (sausage balloons) who swore up and down that in a post-War trial on the Firth of Forth with the safeties dogged by the Chief, they got the HMS Umpire up to 52kts: 59.8mph, 96.3km/h.
Odd: here it is almost 100 years later and we don't have anything that can do THAT!
Great thing about the PT boats and our MTBs is that they were a lot smaller and much more manoeuverable.
GREAT photo!
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Design speed of the Admiralty Modified "R" Class destroyers built in 1917 was 36 knots: 41.5 mph or 66.7 km/h. They were running triple-expansion turbines and lots of steam pressure. I knew an RNAS Observer (sausage balloons) who swore up and down that in a post-War trial on the Firth of Forth with the safeties dogged by the Chief, they got the HMS Umpire up to 52kts: 59.8mph, 96.3km/h.
Odd: here it is almost 100 years later and we don't have anything that can do THAT!
Great thing about the PT boats and our MTBs is that they were a lot smaller and much more manoeuverable.
GREAT photo!
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FROM A BRITISH PERSPECTIVE....IT DOES NOT INCLUDE PT 109.
I found this stuff when I was researching my Lanchester smg.
COASTAL FORCES OF WORLD WAR TWO
There were four types of coastal defence craft during the Second World War. These were: Motor Torpedo Boats (MTBs), Motor Gun Boats (MGBs), Motor Launches (MLs) and Harbour Defence Motor Launches (HDMLs), with the main ones being the MTBs and the MGBs.
In 1939, there were three flotillas of coastal craft, comprising of MTB “short boats” being between 60’ – 71’ 6” long. These were built mainly by south coast shipbuilders: British Power Boat Co (Hythe), Vosper (Portsmouth) and Thornycroft (Southampton). They were armed with 2 torpedo tubes for either 18” or 21” torpedoes. In 1940, it was thought that a similar craft could be built to complement the MTBs, and the MGBs were created. These were armed with a variety of weapons including 0.5” Browning machine gun, 2 pdr pom pom, and a single or twin 20mm Oerlikon and, ultimately, a 6pdr Hotchkiss.
It was also realised that a large craft would be useful as the operation of the short boats was limited by the prevailing weather conditions. Fairmile designed a series of coastal craft, Types A and B were MLs, Type C was an MGB and Type D was the MTB – nicknamed Dog Boat. It first appeared in 1943 and could be fitted up as either a gun or torpedo boat, being 115’ long. It was, however, heavier than the short boats and averaged a speed of 30kts at full load as compared to the short boat’s 40kts. Since the Fairmile D could be either gun or torpedo boat, the designation MGB disappeared and all the craft were MTBs. The last of the D craft built had 4 18” torpedo tubes plus guns.
Coastal craft operated mainly in Channel and North Sea waters, especially in the build up to the Normandy invasion of 1944. They were also used in the Mediterranean and Norwegian campaigns. They were used to disrupt German convoys, carry out clandestine raids and landings and also to pick up secret agents in Norway and Brittany.
The coastal craft were manned by various Allied nationalities including Dutch, Norwegian, Canadian , Australian and New Zealanders. The officers were drawn mainly from the RNVR – hostilities only service.
A link to more of this stuff.
http://www.secondworldwar.org.uk/mgb.html
I found this stuff when I was researching my Lanchester smg.
COASTAL FORCES OF WORLD WAR TWO
There were four types of coastal defence craft during the Second World War. These were: Motor Torpedo Boats (MTBs), Motor Gun Boats (MGBs), Motor Launches (MLs) and Harbour Defence Motor Launches (HDMLs), with the main ones being the MTBs and the MGBs.
In 1939, there were three flotillas of coastal craft, comprising of MTB “short boats” being between 60’ – 71’ 6” long. These were built mainly by south coast shipbuilders: British Power Boat Co (Hythe), Vosper (Portsmouth) and Thornycroft (Southampton). They were armed with 2 torpedo tubes for either 18” or 21” torpedoes. In 1940, it was thought that a similar craft could be built to complement the MTBs, and the MGBs were created. These were armed with a variety of weapons including 0.5” Browning machine gun, 2 pdr pom pom, and a single or twin 20mm Oerlikon and, ultimately, a 6pdr Hotchkiss.
It was also realised that a large craft would be useful as the operation of the short boats was limited by the prevailing weather conditions. Fairmile designed a series of coastal craft, Types A and B were MLs, Type C was an MGB and Type D was the MTB – nicknamed Dog Boat. It first appeared in 1943 and could be fitted up as either a gun or torpedo boat, being 115’ long. It was, however, heavier than the short boats and averaged a speed of 30kts at full load as compared to the short boat’s 40kts. Since the Fairmile D could be either gun or torpedo boat, the designation MGB disappeared and all the craft were MTBs. The last of the D craft built had 4 18” torpedo tubes plus guns.
Coastal craft operated mainly in Channel and North Sea waters, especially in the build up to the Normandy invasion of 1944. They were also used in the Mediterranean and Norwegian campaigns. They were used to disrupt German convoys, carry out clandestine raids and landings and also to pick up secret agents in Norway and Brittany.
The coastal craft were manned by various Allied nationalities including Dutch, Norwegian, Canadian , Australian and New Zealanders. The officers were drawn mainly from the RNVR – hostilities only service.
A link to more of this stuff.
http://www.secondworldwar.org.uk/mgb.html
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And WW2 vintage HMCS Haida could run circles around or modern destroyers at 36 knots
ghostntheshell
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That's the one I was thinking about! Thanks JWHC
Damn, but I HOPE it was practice!
Cast turrets can be steel if they want to be; the damn things are still CAST!
Jerry called the Shermans "Tommy-cookers" after the WWI trench stove..... and the awful habit that Shermans had of taking light when hit. Brits called them "Ronsons":
Light Every Time" it said in the ads.
I REALLY don't like pictures like that one.....
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Cast turrets can be steel if they want to be; the damn things are still CAST!
Jerry called the Shermans "Tommy-cookers" after the WWI trench stove..... and the awful habit that Shermans had of taking light when hit. Brits called them "Ronsons":
Light Every Time" it said in the ads.
I REALLY don't like pictures like that one.....
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