My NEA15 bolt carrier, is it OK?

[beavis_m305]

That is over staked. you have steel coming over the top of the screw head. Staking is to require more torque coming out then going in, not need a grinder first.




So what you are saying is that you got a rifle that was shipped without a BCG to the supplier that you got it from, and that supplier put a BCG in it, one that you feel was inadequate, and this is NEA's fault?

Am I reading this correct?

You also don't say if this fixed your problem even. And if it was your first trip out then the BCG that isn't NEA's was improperly torqued from the factory. As you mention no notice that they bolts had backed off.

What I'm saying is, the BCG I received was inadequate as in the carrier key staking was not up to standard (looked like a sick joke actually). Ever since I restaked it, the only stoppages I've had have been from a few hollow point loads getting hung up on the lip in the feed ramp.

 

[nza]

NEA has been good to me about the RMA process. They are a new startup with growing pains. I knew that going into this.

Just because their 'online presence' may not have the bedside manner of a candy striper, doesn't mean they won't honour their Warranty/RMA process.

if you got issues, deal with them yourself, instead of #####ing here. They already stated that there's many outlets to contact them at.

 

[NavyCuda]

NEA has been good to me about the RMA process. They are a new startup with growing pains. I knew that going into this.

Just because their 'online presence' may not have the bedside manner of a candy striper, doesn't mean they won't honour their Warranty/RMA process.

if you got issues, deal with them yourself, instead of #####ing here. They already stated that there's many outlets to contact them at.

If you don't like the #####ing, why open the thread?

Yes, NEA has customer support that is second to none, but, and this is a big but, they wouldn't be having these issues if they made a steadfast commitment to quality control on each rifle that left the shop. If NEA was my company, I would be able to say that I handled every one of the rifles that left the building, because until I was confident in my employees I would check every single one that left. That's just me though, and I'm a perfectionist. Lots of people out there happy with "good enough".

 

[MET]

Lol I worked in the powersport industry for 19 years, service many bikes,sleds and ATVs manufactured by 4 of the best but yet there were constantly updates, warranty issues and recalls, this was on items that could exceed 20k and like I said they were made by 4 of the largest manufactures in the world but mistakes do happen! At times it felt as though the dealer, technicians and customers were doing some of the R&D, this is quite common in the very large automotive industry aswell.

Why are so many on CGN so quick to jump down the throat of a somewhat new CDN firearms manufacturer such as NEA, where do they say that have achieved perfection? The only company I know of that says that is Glock and they are still prone to issues and they have been making guns alot longer then NEA. Give these guys time to work out some growing pains like every other manufacturer of pretty much anything we buy

 

[NavyCuda]

Lol I worked in the powersport industry for 19 years, service many bikes,sleds and ATVs manufactured by 4 of the best but yet there were constantly updates, warranty issues and recalls, this was on items that could exceed 20k and like I said they were made by 4 of the largest manufactures in the world but mistakes do happen! At times it felt as though the dealer, technicians and customers were doing some of the R&D, this is quite common in the very large automotive industry aswell.

Why are so many on CGN so quick to jump down the throat of a somewhat new CDN firearms manufacturer such as NEA, where do they say that have achieved perfection? The only company I know of that says that is Glock and they are still prone to issues and they have been making guns alot longer then NEA. Give these guys time to work out some growing pains like every other manufacturer of pretty much anything we buy

The problem is all of the avoidable mistakes that were released, not the unavoidable ones.

 

[Chemist]

He was talking about what he felt was an improper staking job the same as the OP. That isn't our carrier. The ones we supplied are the YFS screw ones from another thread...made by a major US manufacturer I might add. Therefore the staking issue is not from carriers provided by the dealer.


I think those ones are from that batch that popped up a month or so ago that started the whole staking conversation.

I'm sorry Ryan, but I believe you are confused. Look to the person I was replying to, and quoted. My reply was based on that, not the original post.

 

[North Eastern Arms]

NEA allowed rifles to ship to dealers without BCGs. NEAs fault. NEA allowed a "third" party to supply and install a BCG into their(NEAs) rifle. NEAs fault.

It is NEAs name on the exterior of the firearm, who sources what to put inside it at the factory or otherwise is beside the fact that it is sold as a complete rifle.

There is no one else to blame but NEA, sorry to burst your bubble.

We sell complete rifles, complete uppers/lowers, stripped receivers and everything in between. If we sell a partial build how is it our fault what gets installed after the fact?

If we sell you a upper receiver and you install a poor quality barrel, should we then be responsible for the barrel? While we are a manufacturer, we sell more components and partials than full builds.


We have a product list. Dealers buy what they need, we supply it as its available. If we have 90% of a rifle sitting on the shelf and a customer wants to buy it (or retailer), it is sold. What the end user does with that product is out of our control, and I am unsure how we can be expected to bear the burden of use after it leaves our dock.

In this particular case rifles sat with no BCGs and a retailer purchased them to install aftermarket BCGs they had in stock. There have been no issues with those rifles sold.

 

[North Eastern Arms]

He was talking about what he felt was an improper staking job the same as the OP. That isn't our carrier. The ones we supplied are the YFS screw ones from another thread...made by a major US manufacturer I might add. Therefore the staking issue is not from carriers provided by the dealer.

This is correct.

 

[Clobbersauras]

That is over staked. you have steel coming over the top of the screw head. Staking is to require more torque coming out then going in, not need a grinder first.

You should contact the manufacturers listed below and tell them that they are over-staking their keys. I'm sure they will listen to you.

Pics from M4C, Robb Jensen:
Colt

LMT/current S&W have LMT carriers (non-Performance Center models)

BCM carrier

 

[90yjgimp]

The issue of carrier staking from a major U.S. manufacturer:

http://youngmanufacturing.net/stakekeys.php

Not to say i don't prefer a staked carrier. Just putting up the other side of the arguement.

I for one don't see how NEA could be held accountable for someone elses build using some of NEA's parts and parts from other manufacturers unless any trouble is directly because of an NEA part.

 

[FastFord58]

The issue of carrier staking from a major U.S. manufacturer:

http://youngmanufacturing.net/stakekeys.php

Not to say i don't prefer a staked carrier. Just putting up the other side of the arguement.

I for one don't see how NEA could be held accountable for someone elses build using some of NEA's parts and parts from other manufacturers unless any trouble is directly because of an NEA part.

They can't, obviously.

Clearly there was an issue at one point with some sub-standard carriers that were outsourced. I'm pretty sure this was a very limited number of carriers.
The BCG I just got with my NEA PDW is a really nice piece. Certainly eclipses my Norc one in quality. In fact, I suspect it is a Daniel Defense piece, though I could certainly be wrong on that.

It is staked properly and the machining is top notch. Now that NEA is making the carriers in house, I imagine the staking issues will be mitigated.

 

[Shep546]

They seem to be sick and tired of people starting threads complaining about their products. I guess if they made their products properly it wouldn't be an issue.

But I hear that their customer service of fixing their bunk guns is pretty good. But again it wouldn't be needed if it was done right in the first place.....

I've been saying this since the first run of NEA rifles, almost all of them had issues and you could see there was next to no quality control what so ever it's a miracle nobody got hurt.

Yet all the fanboys in the forums go just cried about how AWESOME NEA was for replacing their broken ####, sure a good return/exchange policy is great but I would rather my products work the first time then pay top dollar for poorly assembled products that I need to send back to get replaced.

 

[hori]

You should contact the manufacturers listed below and tell them that they are over-staking their keys. I'm sure they will listen to you.

Pics from M4C, Robb Jensen:
Colt

LMT/current S&W have LMT carriers (non-Performance Center models)

BCM carrier

nice one Clobb

 

[Runningfool]

I've been saying this since the first run of NEA rifles, almost all of them had issues and you could see there was next to no quality control what so ever it's a miracle nobody got hurt.

Yet all the fanboys in the forums go just cried about how AWESOME NEA was for replacing their broken s**t, sure a good return/exchange policy is great but I would rather my products work the first time then pay top dollar for poorly assembled products that I need to send back to get replaced.

This post has just about all of the NEA-hater rhetoric all wrapped up in one neat package. Let's break it down:
First we have the I-told-you-so armchair QBing. Then the claim that "almost all of them had issues" so since roughly 10 people on CGN have posted about issues then I guess NEA must have sold only ummmm about 15 rifles right?(except my serial number is in the 200s and I got mine 4 months ago). QC issues, yes, but none whatsoever? Hmmm, sounds like axe-grinding time! Then the always dramatic "miracle no one got hurt" or as some like to put it, "somebody is going to get hurt. It may even be one of our military".
Concluding with a little quip about fanboys gushing over broken chit and the revelation that "I would rather my products work the first time"...I'm pretty sure even the mindless fanboys would rather this as well. The "paying top dollar" thing kind of has me stumped though...is $1000 for an AR paying top dollar? I always assumed top dollar for an AR meant $2K+ but what do I know, I'm just one of the dummies who bought a Canadian made rifle that has the features of a rifle costing hundreds more and has worked flawlessly out of the box from day one!

Guys let's give it a rest! I'm defending NEA so much I am starting to scare myself . Can't we just take a breath and be happy a Canadian company is giving it a go? It is important to look at NEA, warts and all (and there are warts), but it seems like they are being kicked when they are down and that just isn't cool imo.

 

[easysauce]

and here is a properly staked sabre, CMT, and RRA bolt carrier group

 

[easysauce]

They can't, obviously.

Clearly there was an issue at one point with some sub-standard carriers that were outsourced. I'm pretty sure this was a very limited number of carriers.
The BCG I just got with my NEA PDW is a really nice piece. Certainly eclipses my Norc one in quality. In fact, I suspect it is a Daniel Defense piece, though I could certainly be wrong on that.

It is staked properly and the machining is top notch. Now that NEA is making the carriers in house, I imagine the staking issues will be mitigated.

no one wants to hear how you got an awesome rifle out of the box...

especially not me, makes waiting for it that much harder

 

[Shep546]

This post has just about all of the NEA-hater rhetoric all wrapped up in one neat package. Let's break it down:
First we have the I-told-you-so armchair QBing. Then the claim that "almost all of them had issues" so since roughly 10 people on CGN have posted about issues then I guess NEA must have sold only ummmm about 15 rifles right?(except my serial number is in the 200s and I got mine 4 months ago). QC issues, yes, but none whatsoever? Hmmm, sounds like axe-grinding time! Then the always dramatic "miracle no one got hurt" or as some like to put it, "somebody is going to get hurt. It may even be one of our military".
Concluding with a little quip about fanboys gushing over broken chit and the revelation that "I would rather my products work the first time"...I'm pretty sure even the mindless fanboys would rather this as well. The "paying top dollar" thing kind of has me stumped though...is $1000 for an AR paying top dollar? I always assumed top dollar for an AR meant $2K+ but what do I know, I'm just one of the dummies who bought a Canadian made rifle that has the features of a rifle costing hundreds more and has worked flawlessly out of the box from day one!

Guys let's give it a rest! I'm defending NEA so much I am starting to scare myself . Can't we just take a breath and be happy a Canadian company is giving it a go? It is important to look at NEA, warts and all (and there are warts), but it seems like they are being kicked when they are down and that just isn't cool imo.

There have been way more than 10 people post issues of their NEA rifles on this forum, I belong to a very small range and of the 3 people I know their who purchased NEA's 2 of them had to ship theirs back to the dealer for return.

You can try and cover #### up and keep up the damage control as much as possible personally I think you are just worried about the resale value of your rifle.

 

[Runningfool]

There have been way more than 10 people post issues of their NEA rifles on this forum, I belong to a very small range and of the 3 people I know their who purchased NEA's 2 of them had to ship theirs back to the dealer for return.

You can try and cover s**t up and keep up the damage control as much as possible personally I think you are just worried about the resale value of your rifle.

I didn't go back and count so that is why I said about 10 people on CGN but "way more than 10"? If you say so.

I've never tried to cover anything up, I've only tried to be one of the people who speaks up when they have a great experience, not just complain when I have a bad one. I've tried to shed some light on things by posting videos of it functioning right out of the box and detailed pictures of my rifle - that is the opposite of a cover-up.

NEA has earned much of the wrath they have received but they (imo) have also received their share of being crapped on with mis-information, conspiracy theories, etc. My NEA-15 is one of those guns I will never sell so resale value is the last thing that concerns me. Heck, it would appear I have a collectors item, a fully functioning NEA-15!

 

[FastFord58]

no one wants to hear how you got an awesome rifle out of the box...

especially not me, makes waiting for it that much harder

I haven't shot it yet. Let's wait for the range report before getting jealous.

 

[MET]

s**t is gonna hit the fan here my buffer tube/stock lock nut is not staked on my new AR according to Mil-Spec procedures