To me the bolts won't come off both metal from the screw and gas key is touching. I admit it ain't pretty but if it fails I'll go see my buddy, he has the tools...I don't.
You guys are just being difficult.
My NEA15 bolt carrier, is it OK?
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To me the bolts won't come off both metal from the screw and gas key is touching. I admit it ain't pretty but if it fails I'll go see my buddy, he has the tools...I don't.
You guys are just being difficult.
wow... guys get shown a picture of a PROPERLY staked bolt and still #####
you dont know what you are talking about, those stakes are excessive if anything...
apparently anyone who likes their NEA is gonna get trolled
and anyone, who doesnt own one, get full authority to say they are crap over the owners liking them
you dont know what you are talking about, those stakes are excessive if anything...
apparently anyone who likes their NEA is gonna get trolled
and anyone, who doesnt own one, get full authority to say they are crap over the owners liking them
Anyone who thinks I am anti-NEA does not read my posts.
I have been a supporter of NEA from day 1 and have talked with Jeff a lot about his guns, and spent many, many hours emailing Dave, researching and writing about their AR. I have always been a fairly vocal supporter of what they are doing.
But that is not a quality staking job and that method is not reliable.
I have been a supporter of NEA from day 1 and have talked with Jeff a lot about his guns, and spent many, many hours emailing Dave, researching and writing about their AR. I have always been a fairly vocal supporter of what they are doing.
But that is not a quality staking job and that method is not reliable.
Matt_dal123
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Excuse me.....
But when on earth did I say actually say NEA had badly staked keys???
Did I?
No?
Didn't think so. I just said I'm not anti-NEA. I just don't feel good about buying from them at the moment. Don't make out like I am saying that I hope the DD AR's are better staked than NEA. Because I have no idea if they are. I just want my DD to have good ones.
I think with the NEA-15, there's been too much teasing as the product was coming down the stretch and a lot of playing coy when pressed about specifics. If agency sales are/were their primary market like it seems to be for the AR mag well adapters for the G36 and Swiss Arms rifles, then the focus should have been on them, rather than on drumming up interest from the Canadian civi market before the consumer products are ready.
People expect a certain lack of transparency when dealing with a big manufacturer separated from them by a legion of middle men. It's when a company staff member is available and dodging questions about their materials or methods that well... it looks like they're trying to hide something. AR15s are a mature platform, to put it mildly, and the blanket of confidentiality on the basis of competition gets tiresome. Who are they seeing as their competitors that might abandon their own tried and tested methods for the techniques of a new upstart? Canada is an afterthought to most US AR makers. Norinco seems to sell mostly to national agencies. Astra Arms? ATRS? Dlask?!
Exactly my thoughts on this matter.
IF you think that is not a properly staked key, its either from lack of knowledge, or jumping to conclusions
yes the stake from the side is very common,
no it is NOT the only way to do it, the side method, dimple, or straight across all work as long as the metal is properly deformed in the correct place.
here is an example of those three methods done right
heres his BCG with the middle technique
yes the stake from the side is very common,
no it is NOT the only way to do it, the side method, dimple, or straight across all work as long as the metal is properly deformed in the correct place.
here is an example of those three methods done right
heres his BCG with the middle technique
Runningfool
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When on earth did anyone say you said NEA had badly staked keys???
Did they?
No?
Didn't think so. You just came into a thread about NEAs gas key staking and announced how glad you were that you went with a DD and how you hoped it had a properly staked gas key.
The chisel staking is adequate, but nothing beats Jack Weigand's MOACKS staking tools.
I don't like beating atop of the gas key and bolts. I believe it may loosen the torque of the bolts before they are properly staked in place.
Also, I wanted to mention that I've heard the reason for staking these bolts during the early days is so that when the head of the bolt shears off, it's retained within the staking and it doesn't fall into the action and jam you up but good.
One contribution to the bolts shearing off is by over-torquing, when the gas key is continuously slammed into the receiver because the buffer tube is too long internally or the tube is not screwed into the receiver far enough.
I don't like beating atop of the gas key and bolts. I believe it may loosen the torque of the bolts before they are properly staked in place.
Also, I wanted to mention that I've heard the reason for staking these bolts during the early days is so that when the head of the bolt shears off, it's retained within the staking and it doesn't fall into the action and jam you up but good.
One contribution to the bolts shearing off is by over-torquing, when the gas key is continuously slammed into the receiver because the buffer tube is too long internally or the tube is not screwed into the receiver far enough.
When on earth did anyone say you said NEA had badly staked keys???
Did they?
No?
Didn't think so. You just came into a thread about NEAs gas key staking and announced how glad you were that you went with a DD and how you hoped it had a properly staked gas key.
Thanks for saying it for me.
I think NEA is doing a fine job on here. I think there are a whole lot of people on here that dont know the first thing about running a business let alone having to sit behind a computer and defend your company every day from people that will find anything they can to complain about. You're paying $1000 for an AR made in Canada vs $2500+ for something foreign made.. if you really have a problem with a part on theses guns, replace it and make it better.
If my RPAL shows up this week I plan on purchasing an NEA 7.5" as my first restricted firearm, I dont mind a bit of a wait for a good deal. Guys are going to be crying that they didnt buy one when all the hiccups are worked out and the price jumps up to $2000.
If my RPAL shows up this week I plan on purchasing an NEA 7.5" as my first restricted firearm, I dont mind a bit of a wait for a good deal. Guys are going to be crying that they didnt buy one when all the hiccups are worked out and the price jumps up to $2000.
There are several top tier manufacturers with ARs for less than $1600. I can even assemble a reliable AR for less than a grand using proven quality parts.
After the recent shilling fiasco, it's difficult to trust anyone around here. Especially words by recently subscribed members with zero trader rating. Just saying, eh.
lejarretnoir
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Yep, rifles and customer service will have to speak for themselves.
Anyone's opinion on NEA or any other business cannot be assumed as gospel.
Anyone's opinion on NEA or any other business cannot be assumed as gospel.
Haha, so new members cant have an opinion? I've been watching this closely, long before I registered even. I run/own a CNC shop in Regina and I couldnt imagine having to defend myself on the net like this, granted I do agree things should be sent out as advertised but mistakes do happen.
I think ultimately the gun and customer service will speak for themselves. There is a pretty big difference between $1000 and $1600, I can do alot of mods for $600.
I hope its not a let down, this will be my first AR so I dont have much to compare it to but will definitely post up my feedback once I've had some range time.
newbs can have opinions, everyone has one. Alot of posts on NEA were from newly registered members touting it`s the greatest thing since sliced bread and alot of people bought into it. They had problems from the start and always blamed it on someone else or something. Certain people were quick to defend any problems someone posted before NEA even got a chance to say.
YMMV
I did watch that all go down and it seemed fishy to me as well, I cant defend them on that one... Nor do I agree with it. I do understand the position the customers have them in, on a forum like this people are always happy to air their dirty laundry so you will hear more bad than good.. That would be tough to swallow, especially when you're proud of your product. Again, that doesent make it right but hopefully it does lead them to correct their issues.
I just cant help but like the idea of an entry level priced gun made in Canada, most everything I've read though has been positive so im willing to give them the chance. I do like the spikes AR as well as a couple other brands but for a thousand bucks im willing to give NEA a shot, im sure I will have no problem unloading it if it ends up not being what I envisioned.
Im super excited for my first AR, if all goes well I should have my order placed by friday. My rpal was mailed 12 days ago so it should be here any day now.
I also look forward to upgrading my trader rating real soon, hopefully that gives my posts some credibility, haha.
I just cant help but like the idea of an entry level priced gun made in Canada, most everything I've read though has been positive so im willing to give them the chance. I do like the spikes AR as well as a couple other brands but for a thousand bucks im willing to give NEA a shot, im sure I will have no problem unloading it if it ends up not being what I envisioned.
Im super excited for my first AR, if all goes well I should have my order placed by friday. My rpal was mailed 12 days ago so it should be here any day now.
I also look forward to upgrading my trader rating real soon, hopefully that gives my posts some credibility, haha.
