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gunrunner100
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The 280 Remington is based on the 30-06 case, with proven results.
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- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
Remington thought of it in the mid '50s and in 1957 they brought out the .280 Remington. The .280 is a top notch cartridge which Townsend Whelen thought was just a bit better than either the .270 or the .30/06. IMHO it the "best" of the three cartridges depends on your terms of reference and all 3 have a very similar performance envelope.
in 1906, Ross did experiment with the '06 case when he was looking to reach the 3000 fps, but he couldn't get it with the powders of the time - he also hated the Cordite and liked the newly introduced "powders". The .280 Ross used a "special" powder expressely made for it (actually, for slower and faster powders, it was always the same powder but coarser or finer).
This version of the Ross was known either by .28 Ross, .28 Pope and .28 Roosevelt, later being known as .28-1906. He got 2700 fps from a 146 grainer bullet, while Eley Bros were expecting 2900 fps.
This version of the Ross was known either by .28 Ross, .28 Pope and .28 Roosevelt, later being known as .28-1906. He got 2700 fps from a 146 grainer bullet, while Eley Bros were expecting 2900 fps.
.280 Ross is not based on a .30-03/.30-06 parent case. It has larger base/rim diameters.
The 7x64 Brenneke, the .280 Remington, and various 7mm-06 wildcats are one of those cases of several different people coming up with basically the same idea independently.
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- Lloydminster, Alberta
I've actually got a box of ammo, I purchased in the 1980's at Sears (Halifax) that is marked 7-06. Of course, its really 7mm Expresss/280 ammo. I know remington didn't make many rifles or cartridges marked in such a way. Guys were seeing that marking and assumming they can make 7/06 from 30/06, forgetting that remington moved the shoulder to prevent guys from chambering 280 in 270 rifles...
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- Somewhere on the Hudson Bay Coast
Except shoot 175gr partitions with a BC of .519...
No, instead the .270 guys can shoot 180 gr Woodleighs with a SD of .335 and a BC of .513, but they need a fast twist barrel.
Although I never cared to own one, I have shot the 7mm Mag and didn't find recoil appreciably different than .30-06 Springfield. So, rather than go to a .280 Rem, if I was so inclined, I'd just go to the 7mm Mag.
I kinda think that has been the .280's folly all along though. While it does have somewhat of a cult following when considering going to a .284 most just opt for the 7mm Mag. At least that's what rifle, die & ammo sales seem to indicate.
That all said, there's certainly nothing wrong with the .280 Rem. Personally, I just went to the .270 Win, though.
I do have a couple of 7mm-08's ... so I'm kinda still in the .280 club, somewhat....
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I kinda think that has been the .280's folly all along though. While it does have somewhat of a cult following when considering going to a .284 most just opt for the 7mm Mag. At least that's what rifle, die & ammo sales seem to indicate.
That all said, there's certainly nothing wrong with the .280 Rem. Personally, I just went to the .270 Win, though.
I do have a couple of 7mm-08's ... so I'm kinda still in the .280 club, somewhat....
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Pathfinder
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If Id have a 277 fast twist barrel I would shoot a Matrix 175gr. that has a listed bc of 0.7828
With my Vanilla 10 twist 270 im currently shooting the 165's that have a bc of 0.7381
isnt the 280 originally a 30-03 case shortened? i wikied
sort of had a blonde moment there with this thought i think
Actually you are more correct than you realise, as the 30-03 was in fact some .045" longer than the 30-06 which is the same length as the 280 Rem. Rem moved the shoulder forward on the the 280 to prevent it's chambering in either the 06 or the 270, liability lawyers at work even in the 50's.
