bears/ pistol cals.

rgv said:
I have had an auto on a bc/yt atc since 2006. They have never given me issue.

I do know one fellow here who was refused, but I suspect it was more an issue with him applying for multiple firearms on his atc, which already included a couple large bore revolvers.

My m&p 45, loaded with 10 45 Super rounds, is nine ounces lighter than my 4" 629 loaded with 6 rounds. In a bianchi UM92 style holster it stays clean and dry and I haven't lost it yet.
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I stand corrected. Info was what I recall from reading up on the application process which is far from straightforward/standardized. What kind of bullets/velocity are you getting out of that thing as I would have thought 45 acp to be too light of a cartridge for this application?

auto-loaders are deemed "unreliable" under field conditions, carried by a sportsman in either a flap holster or under a covering jacket or coat.

That would explain the millions of pistols carried into combat under appalling conditions by soldiers of all nations since their inception, exposed to the elements.
Not to forget the more open design of most revolvers, subject to dust, mud and crud from innumerable sources; even the slightest bit of foreign matter under the ejector star rendering them inoperable.

Who's kidding who? Any competitor will tell you that handgun reliability depends largely on the quality of the ammo and the skill of the user. Most malfunctions are operator caused.
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Flap holster is OK, under a coat will get you tossed in jail. It's an ATC not CCW.

As far as I know it's likely more due to firing and reloading rate as to why the military uses them. Look at the perpetual argument about 1911 reliability and tweaking done to get them to work properly. Either way there are very few autoloaders in calibers I'd deem appropriate for carry in this situation. Judging by above peoples personal opinions vary widely in what is an appropriate caliber as well.
 
Freyr_255 said:
I stand corrected. Info was what I recall from reading up on the application process which is far from straightforward/standardized. What kind of bullets/velocity are you getting out of that thing as I would have thought 45 acp to be too light of a cartridge for this application?
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I'm not shooting full 45 super, more like 45 ACP +++P using Starline 45 Super brass

230 XTP at a bit under 1000 fps.

For reference, most factory 240 44 Remington magnum chronographs from a 4" S&W at around 1100 fps.

If I'm on the coast I go back to the 629.

Flap holster is OK, under a coat will get you tossed in jail. It's an ATC not CCW.
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Assuming you are following the general conditions of a wilderness ATC, ie carrying in remote locales whilst on the job, do you seriously think you will end up in the klink because you have a pistol on your belt or in a shoulder holster under a cruisers vest and rain gear?
 
rgv said:
I'm not shooting full 45 super, more like 45 ACP +++P using Starline 45 Super brass

230 XTP at a bit under 1000 fps.

For reference, most factory 240 44 Remington magnum chronographs from a 4" S&W at around 1100 fps.

If I'm on the coast I go back to the 629.



Assuming you are following the general conditions of a wilderness ATC, ie carrying in remote locales whilst on the job, do you seriously think you will end up in the klink because you have a pistol on your belt or in a shoulder holster under a cruisers vest and rain gear?
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I think it comes down to interpretation and intent. If there's no intent to conceal the gun, but its covered by rain gear, or cold weather gear, either for convenience or to provide additional protection for the gun, I see no problem arising. I went out on an EOD call a while back with the military and the RCMP (this was an old military range used by both the Americans and Canadians and old munitions appear from time to time, so the local blaster can be an asset) and the one young cop's eyes were glued to my .44. When I showed him the ATC he said he didn't know there was such a thing, nor would have he cared if my jacket had covered the butt.

Note that while you can see my gun belt over my sweatshirt, the gun is under my Gortex.
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tweaking 1911's is only needed for target/ipsc work , an out of the box 1911 , ie GI issue , will perform flawlessly , with hard ball 230 @ 840+/- & is enough for bear . of course 12ga slugs are the right answer .
 
rgv said:
I'm not shooting full 45 super, more like 45 ACP +++P using Starline 45 Super brass

230 XTP at a bit under 1000 fps.

For reference, most factory 240 44 Remington magnum chronographs from a 4" S&W at around 1100 fps.

If I'm on the coast I go back to the 629.



Assuming you are following the general conditions of a wilderness ATC, ie carrying in remote locales whilst on the job, do you seriously think you will end up in the klink because you have a pistol on your belt or in a shoulder holster under a cruisers vest and rain gear?
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Didn't think you could load up 45 acp much above standard pressures without causing harm in an autoloader. Good to know, but still don't think it would ever by my first choice to carry.

No I don't think it would be an issue but according to the law it is. I had looked into getting a shoulder rig or belly rig but realized this fell outside the law unless I wore it on the outside of my jacket. Granted the argument about draw times could be made but I was looking for something out of the way and well protected as I figured I'd have larger issues with knocking it around or catching it on things than anything else. Either way it's a legal point to be aware of, not a practical one.
 
Freyr_255 said:
Didn't think you could load up 45 acp much above standard pressures without causing harm in an autoloader. Good to know, but still don't think it would ever by my first choice to carry.

No I don't think it would be an issue but according to the law it is. I had looked into getting a shoulder rig or belly rig but realized this fell outside the law unless I wore it on the outside of my jacket. Granted the argument about draw times could be made but I was looking for something out of the way and well protected as I figured I'd have larger issues with knocking it around or catching it on things than anything else. Either way it's a legal point to be aware of, not a practical one.
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A .45 Super is not a .45 ACP! The Super is made from .308 brass, runs at 40,000 psi, so must have a supported chamber, which means a new barrel for your 1911. I doubt that a 1911 carried in a shoulder rig or on a belt would be more inclined to catch on things then any other handgun, although I don't carry mine for ATC work.
 
"9 glock"!
*beavis and butthead doing their headbanger routine*

Oh crap, it's 5 mins after 10 glock, time for bed!
 
I watched my friends dad bark a big black up a tree when I was 12 glock old. We were eating sandwiches at a day site in a prov. park. He just barked like a big dog at it, and the black pissed itself and ran half way up a tall tree. It stayed there til we left.
 
Most people who have had bear encounters have one like this, that does not mean it will turn out that way every time. As soon as you think you know what a bear will do under any given circumstances, he'll surprise you. More people are injured by supposedly timid black bears than by all the big dangerous species put together. That is not a call to shoot every bear you come into contact with, but it is a suggestion to give them room, and not to go looking for trouble.
 
Freyr_255 said:
Never did get my ATC though because I got out of geology last year as I ran into that whole 'geology and marriage don't mix' scenario(now taking up electrical work and prospecting on the side when I finally find time and money again).
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Sorry to hear that you left the field but family first brother. The industry has a real shortage of good geos and it's only going to get worse.

I carried a 4" .357 magnum when I started out many decades ago. When I moved to BC and saw the size of the coastal bears I upgraded to a .454 Casull.

Choose a handgun/caliber that you are comfortable with, can afford to practice with, shoot well and is comfortable to carry in the conditions that you will be facing. If the HG is too heavy or awkward to carry (and many are) it will be back in your tent most days.
 
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