Tavor anyone's thoughts?

Just for the record tv press, (great vids by the way) the SA80A2 can be fired from the left hand side. The curved cocking handle prevents brass from slamming into your chops. However it's main design was for right hand fire.
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Neat! I did not know that. I guess its similar to how people say the Tavor can't be fired lefty either. Its definitely do-able. For those who don't believe me, watch the sling video at the top of that "you-tube tower".
 
Support side was fine. Didnt have any issues with it. In my match we did 2-2-2 head with strong side. Reload and switch to support side 2-2-2 body. And as I recall I hit all A zones so.....

Reloads, like I said. I shoot competitively and find the reloads very smooth. But its a training issue. This isnt a fact. Just my personal experiance and rounds down range.

I shot normal prone in comp and works fine as well. Anytime you need to go urban prone so did guys with AR's.




TDC said:
Support side is "do able"? So how do you achieve a proper cheek weld and use your sights/optic without severely canting the rifle?

As for reloads, I have yet to see anyone who runs one, run it with some sort of efficiency or competency. Reaching into your armpit is far from ergonomical. Add some gear or heavy clothing and a fast reload isn't going to happen.

Urban prone is great, if the situation permits it. Should you need to shoot from the standard prone position you're gonna have a hard time with it. How well does SBU prone work for you?

My experience with the Tavor is limited, but I did run one for a couple hours and was far from impressed. The fixed LOP and inability to transition shoulders are the biggest issues. As I said, there is no advantage for the majority of users unless they're involved with CQB type shooting. Non restricted is a huge benefit, which negates the "compact" benefit of a bullpup design.

TDC
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Had one "looks cool but falls short"

-Cocking the gun is not smooth
-barrel is thin and heats up fast "groupings surffer"
-The trigger makes the AK47 trigger feel like a match trigger
-Did not find the sight rail secure and it flexed

If I had the money again I would by a SIG green special
 
TDC said:
Support side is "do able"? So how do you achieve a proper cheek weld and use your sights/optic without severely canting the rifle?

As for reloads, I have yet to see anyone who runs one, run it with some sort of efficiency or competency. Reaching into your armpit is far from ergonomical. Add some gear or heavy clothing and a fast reload isn't going to happen.

Urban prone is great, if the situation permits it. Should you need to shoot from the standard prone position you're gonna have a hard time with it. How well does SBU prone work for you?

My experience with the Tavor is limited, but I did run one for a couple hours and was far from impressed. The fixed LOP and inability to transition shoulders are the biggest issues. As I said, there is no advantage for the majority of users unless they're involved with CQB type shooting. Non restricted is a huge benefit, which negates the "compact" benefit of a bullpup design.
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It sounds like your critique mainly focuses around using the Tavor in competition, which is fine - but not everyone necessarily desires it for that roll.

Guillaume001 said:
just sold mine.. wayyy overpriced... no that fun to shoot, no accesories, square cheek rest not comfy, and dont get me going on the trigger! But it is a good rifle to do urban ops in Gaza! non-rest is really the only cool thing about it until...you give the dealer your debit card!
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Everyone keeps saying "no accessories"... What is it that you want to 'accessorize' exactly? You've got full-length top rail, side rail, bipod mount, optional lower rail, flip-up BUIS... You can pretty much mount any light, laser, vertical grip, BUIS or optic setup - so what am I missing?

Dsiwy said:
Had one "looks cool but falls short"

-Cocking the gun is not smooth
-barrel is thin and heats up fast "groupings surffer"
-The trigger makes the AK47 trigger feel like a match trigger
-Did not find the sight rail secure and it flexed

If I had the money again I would by a SIG green special
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What didn't you like about the cocking handle? I agree that the Tavor isn't necessarily the most accurate, but it's not a match barrel, either. The trigger isn't that bad, come on... ;) Hadn't hear that about the sight rail. I have one of the first-gens, so I'm running a Dlask rail on mine. Rock solid.
 
Everyone keeps saying "no accessories"... What is it that you want to 'accessorize' exactly? You've got full-length top rail, side rail, bipod mount, optional lower rail, flip-up BUIS... You can pretty much mount any light, laser, vertical grip, BUIS or optic setup - so what am I missing?
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They're just sad that a a Magpul AFG2 would be redundant on the front end ;)

I never understood the "no accessories" complaint either really. I guess its because magpul doesn't make any aftermarket didly-bobs.

If only we could install UBR strikeplates on our Tavors! LoL, Oh strike-plate . . . so silly.
 
TV-PressPass said:
They're just sad that a a Magpul AFG2 would be redundant on the front end ;)

I never understood the "no accessories" complaint either really. I guess its because magpul doesn't make any aftermarket didly-bobs.

If only we could install UBR strikeplates on our Tavors! LoL, Oh strike-plate . . . so silly.
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Well, I guess I can understand the desire for the AFG - since the Tavor doesn't have an angled hand guard. Oh wait, nix that. They probably want the AFG for the integrated hand-stop to protect your hand from sliding forward because the Tavor doesn't have that, either. Wait a sec...

Maybe they want to install a BAD Lever... Nope, ambi bolt release. Must be for an ambi sling mount then. Oops, I'm getting ahead of myself again - the Tavor has ambi points front/rear. Must be for those awesome MBUS flip-up sights then! Which one could use, if the Tavor didn't already come with a better set of folding/integrated BUIS.

I reluctantly concur, TV - it must be for the UBR strikeplate... :rolleyes:
 
blaxsun said:
Everyone keeps saying "no accessories"... What is it that you want to 'accessorize' exactly? You've got full-length top rail, side rail, bipod mount, optional lower rail, flip-up BUIS... You can pretty much mount any light, laser, vertical grip, BUIS or optic setup - so what am I missing?
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A bayonet :p
 
So I am starting to think groups are not all that good if nobody wants to post load development and range data. Does anybody make a heavier chrome lined barrel? Is anybody getting good groups with a Tavor?
 
AOWM said:
A bayonet :p
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Happy now?

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AOWM said:
So I am starting to think groups are not all that good if nobody wants to post load development and range data. Does anybody make a heavier chrome lined barrel? Is anybody getting good groups with a Tavor?
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I'll reiterate... it's not a tack-driver. If you're looking for a match-grade rifle, get a Swiss Arms. I'm not into hand loading and precision shooting with my Tavor (it's for fun). I'm sure Herron Arms could probably make you a heavier barrel, but you're probably looking at upwards of $850 (so that places it in Swiss Arms territory).
 
I used my Tavor during this years club open house, more than 100 people with every experience level possible, nearly everyone instinctively knew how to hold it with the exception of the 5-6 year old group and almost everyone manage to ring the gong at 75 m after the second round, that to me says a lot for the well thought of design of Tavors.
 
hbean said:
I used my Tavor during this years club open house, more than 100 people with every experience level possible, nearly everyone instinctively knew how to hold it with the exception of the 5-6 year old group, almost everyone manage to ring the gong at 75 m after the second round, that to me says a lot for the well thought of design of Tavors.
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I friend of mine told me at one of the open shoots this summer the Tavor and XCR-L (yeah, I'm still speechless) were the only black rifles that *didn't suffer some form of malfunction over the course of the weekend. The ACR apparently had a fairly brutal one, but all the ARs (including Norcs) crapped out at one point or another.
 
Thanks guys... Not looking for a match rifle but if it cant be counted on to at least come close to MOA on a consistant basis then that to me would be a serious drawback...

I have handled one and like how it handles much better than the Swiss Arms, so if spending the money would get me MOA or slighly better it would be worth it for me to rebarrel.

Good find on the bayonet Blaxsun:D

Looking forward to your range report TV:cheers:
 
shotzee said:
Support side was fine. Didnt have any issues with it. In my match we did 2-2-2 head with strong side. Reload and switch to support side 2-2-2 body. And as I recall I hit all A zones so.....

Reloads, like I said. I shoot competitively and find the reloads very smooth. But its a training issue. This isnt a fact. Just my personal experiance and rounds down range.

I shot normal prone in comp and works fine as well. Anytime you need to go urban prone so did guys with AR's.
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At what range were you engaging the 2-2-2 from your support side? I'm gonna go out on a limb and say, 5-7 yards.

blaxsun said:
It sounds like your critique mainly focuses around using the Tavor in competition, which is fine - but not everyone necessarily desires it for that roll.

Everyone keeps saying "no accessories"... What is it that you want to 'accessorize' exactly? You've got full-length top rail, side rail, bipod mount, optional lower rail, flip-up BUIS... You can pretty much mount any light, laser, vertical grip, BUIS or optic setup - so what am I missing?
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My critique is that for a service rifle its lacking a lot of what's necessary and standard. I do compete, but I also train. I want a rifle that works from any position for both left and right handed users without compromise. The Tavor and all other bullpups don't deliver. As I said, the only advantages to bullpups are their shorter overall length which is of zero benefit for the majority of users including MIL/LE and the fact its non restricted. There are other options in the non res category that are better priced, better designed, better performers, or all of the above.

blaxsun said:
I friend of mine told me at one of the open shoots this summer the Tavor and XCR-L (yeah, I'm still speechless) were the only black rifles that *didn't suffer some form of malfunction over the course of the weekend. The ACR apparently had a fairly brutal one, but all the ARs (including Norcs) crapped out at one point or another.
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This anecdotal story is of near zero merit. We need to know what the failures were on the other rifles and eliminate poor ammo, poor magazines, poor guns, and poor user maintenance before you can call it definitive.

TDC
 
Can,t make everyone happy. Just as long as the people that have one are happy with it, that's what counts. There are pros and cons for everything.
Nuff Said.
 
AOWM said:
Good find on the bayonet Blaxsun:D
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There's also a grenade launcher. :evil:

TDC said:
My critique is that for a service rifle its lacking a lot of what's necessary and standard. I do compete, but I also train. I want a rifle that works from any position for both left and right handed users without compromise. The Tavor and all other bullpups don't deliver. As I said, the only advantages to bullpups are their shorter overall length which is of zero benefit for the majority of users including MIL/LE and the fact its non restricted. There are other options in the non res category that are better priced, better designed, better performers, or all of the above.
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I'm right-handed, and it just doesn't matter to me if it's more awkward to shoot for left-handed people (they have the option of getting the LH bolt and swapping it over). I'd sooner take a Tavor over any other non-restricted black rifle, for a variety of reasons - but that's just me... Good enough for the IDF - good enough for me. :D

TDC said:
This anecdotal story is of near zero merit. We need to know what the failures were on the other rifles and eliminate poor ammo, poor magazines, poor guns, and poor user maintenance before you can call it definitive.
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I thought it was apparent it was anecdotal?
 
IWI Tavor C.T.A.R

TDC inspired me to post my Tavor CTAR. Could be fun in competition...
Upgrades include: AAC Blackout 18T flash hider, Dlask low profile rail, EOTech 516 HWS (poor man's MARS)
Urban-ERT 2-point sling with quick detach, Tritium front post upgrade, Dual Magpul PMAGs with MagLink

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blaxsun said:
TDC inspired me to post my Tavor CTAR. Could be fun in competition...
Upgrades include: AAC Blackout 18T flash hider, Dlask low profile rail, EOTech 516 HWS (poor man's MARS)
Urban-ERT 2-point sling with quick detach, Tritium front post upgrade, Dual Magpul PMAGs with MagLink

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BLACKOUT:xes is it true? can you still switch back to 556. with the old bolt and barrel?

oops. flash hider?i thought calibre too soon...(sad)
 
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