Another what if question.........

[Northman999]

What Boomer said needs to be heard by hunters with less experience, particularly if they are looking for a "one-gun" rifle!

For example, after many years of shooting game with .30 cals of various varieties, and seeing it done by many others, I'm finding that game simply cannot tell the difference between any of the common .30 cal cartridges.

I don't care what the ballistic calculators say, or what the energy levels of faster bullets would suggest, the solution to "not enough gun" is to go BIGGER, not faster.

 

[sobo4303]

Two options that the op gave asking a simple question and guys can't help but chime in with "their" preferred choices. my choice out of the TWO would be the .270 wsm.

You are right. that is what the OP asked. Not knowing the OP, I am presuming from the basis of his question that the most experience he has comes from magazines, social networking (such as this forum) and youtube. Otherwise, the question would have not been asked in the first place - as he would already know that answer. The answer to his question, in my opinion, is a caliber with a wide range of capable options and readily available ammo at a reasonable price. The 270 and 30-06 fit that bill to a tee.

I wandered into a moderately sized sporting goods store this morning prior to writing this reply. 12 different brands and bullets for the 30-06, 9 for the 270, 8 for the 308, 3 for the 300 wsm and no 270 wsm.

Since he has not yet purchased and particularly if he does not reload, I suggest that the options of the 30-06 and 270 be considered. You can go play with that idea.

 

[gtrussell]

You go play.Simple question,simple answer.Does not matter if you have intimate knowledge, of the person who asked this simple question,or not.270 wsm would be my pick,a little less felt recoil than the 300.

 

[archie_james_c]

There is nothing in all of North America that would walk off a 130gr TTSX.

I was gunna say that, but I knew there'd be someone out West that would give me schit for "speaking for" the west, from my computer chair, in the East ...so I spoke only for ON game.

 

[gtrussell]

Your a brave man.

 

[Gatehouse]

If we arent' looking at big bears, your biggest animals are moose and elk. Okay, there is bison, but not many hunt them often.

What moose or elk can't be killed with a 270 or 300WSM?

Or a 7-08, 308, 270, 30-06, 7RM etc for that matter. Pick the one that interests you the most. Use good bullets. Shoot straight. DOne deal.

 

[archie_james_c]

Your a brave man.

I used to enjoy arguing with you...now you're not even trying. Get your schit together and troll like a man Russell.

 

[gtrussell]

I still enjoy arguing with you,dont give up so easily.

 

[Dogleg]

What Boomer said needs to be heard by hunters with less experience, particularly if they are looking for a "one-gun" rifle!

For example, after many years of shooting game with .30 cals of various varieties, and seeing it done by many others, I'm finding that game simply cannot tell the difference between any of the common .30 cal cartridges.

I don't care what the ballistic calculators say, or what the energy levels of faster bullets would suggest, the solution to "not enough gun" is to go BIGGER, not faster.

Just for the sake of argument, do you believe that a given cartridge kills the same at every distance? 100 yards, 500 yards = same thing?

 

[joe-nwt]

You are right. that is what the OP asked. Not knowing the OP, I am presuming from the basis of his question that the most experience he has comes from magazines, social networking (such as this forum) and youtube. Otherwise, the question would have not been asked in the first place - as he would already know that answer. The answer to his question, in my opinion, is a caliber with a wide range of capable options and readily available ammo at a reasonable price. The 270 and 30-06 fit that bill to a tee.

I wandered into a moderately sized sporting goods store this morning prior to writing this reply. 12 different brands and bullets for the 30-06, 9 for the 270, 8 for the 308, 3 for the 300 wsm and no 270 wsm.

Since he has not yet purchased and particularly if he does not reload, I suggest that the options of the 30-06 and 270 be considered. You can go play with that idea.

Well I presumed he was looking at a particular rifle available to him locally, available in the two cartridges he mentioned. I answered accordingly.

 

[Northman999]

Just for the sake of argument, do you believe that a given cartridge kills the same at every distance? 100 yards, 500 yards = same thing?

I'm saying that .30 cal 180 grain impact at 2000 fps or at 3000 fps produces no difference whatsoever on game, that I have ever been able to notice.

As far as I can tell, as long as your bullet is going fast enough to deform properly, and penetrate deep enough to punch through vitals, you've got all you're going to get out of that bullet, period. Having your bullet exit the other side of the animal and go really, really, really far afterwards is of no use whatsoever.

At longer ranges, yes, you will need a bit more juice to get proper bullet deformation and enough penetration to to the job, but at "normal" hunting ranges, say under 300 yards, I'm suggesting you gain nothing by placing your bullet into your deer/elk/moose with a 300 weatherby over making the exact same shot with a .308 win. If you want to shoot game at 600 - 800 yards then the .308 win will not deform or penetrate enough, so then a magnum would be warranted.

And yes, I'm also saying that, at normal ranges, if a fellow feels his .30-06 is not enough gun, he is better off getting a .35 Whelen than a 300 Weatherby.

Sorry about the thread hijacking....

 

[Max Owner]

Waterfowler; hope we aren't de railing your thread too badly.

 

[doublelung]

You are right. that is what the OP asked. Not knowing the OP, I am presuming from the basis of his question that the most experience he has comes from magazines, social networking (such as this forum) and youtube. Otherwise, the question would have not been asked in the first place - as he would already know that answer. The answer to his question, in my opinion, is a caliber with a wide range of capable options and readily available ammo at a reasonable price. The 270 and 30-06 fit that bill to a tee.

I wandered into a moderately sized sporting goods store this morning prior to writing this reply. 12 different brands and bullets for the 30-06, 9 for the 270, 8 for the 308, 3 for the 300 wsm and no 270 wsm.

Since he has not yet purchased and particularly if he does not reload, I suggest that the options of the 30-06 and 270 be considered. You can go play with that idea.

Considering the op is a regular poster with 5,796 posts, has been a member here 6 years longer than you, has over 100 trades, and carries a firearm for the purposes of his employment..... I don't think it's reasonable for you to "presume" that his experience comes from youtube, magazines and social networking... How be you just try and stick with answering the question posed and or just move on to the next thread. How be you play with that idea

 

[9.3mauser]

I'm saying that .30 cal 180 grain impact at 2000 fps or at 3000 fps produces no difference whatsoever on game, that I have ever been able to notice.

So a 30-30 is the equivalent of a .300 Win Mag??

 

[Cleftwynd]

I'm saying that .30 cal 180 grain impact at 2000 fps or at 3000 fps produces no difference whatsoever on game, that I have ever been able to notice.

And yes, I'm also saying that, at normal ranges, if a fellow feels his .30-06 is not enough gun, he is better off getting a .35 Whelen than a 300 Weatherby.

Sorry about the thread hijacking....

I need reading comprehension courses.... I also agree with this statement. Normal ranges being 300 and under.

 

[sweetheart]

The best all-round cartridges would be the .338 Winmag or the .340 Weatherby. They can be loaded light for deer but have easily handled moose and bear.

 

[Waterfowler]

Waterfowler; hope we aren't de railing your thread too badly.

All is good!!!!!

 

[Max Owner]

You must be a saint.

 

[bearkilr]

You are right. that is what the OP asked. Not knowing the OP, I am presuming from the basis of his question that the most experience he has comes from magazines, social networking (such as this forum) and youtube. Otherwise, the question would have not been asked in the first place - as he would already know that answer. The answer to his question, in my opinion, is a caliber with a wide range of capable options and readily available ammo at a reasonable price. The 270 and 30-06 fit that bill to a tee.

I wandered into a moderately sized sporting goods store this morning prior to writing this reply. 12 different brands and bullets for the 30-06, 9 for the 270, 8 for the 308, 3 for the 300 wsm and no 270 wsm.
Since he has not yet purchased and particularly if he does not reload, I suggest that the options of the 30-06 and 270 be considered. You can go play with that idea.

What if he shops at a different store?

 

[archie_james_c]

Im so afraid of forgetting my ultra-rare .270 WSM ammo at home when I go on trips that I carry a .30-06 as backup........