Saiga makes semi-auto hunting rifles, that's how they get into the states. They look more like our Valmets when they go into the states and then them Yanks put the right furniture on em. They have a ban on importing military firearms.
Origins of the AKs that are in Canada
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Saiga makes semi-auto hunting rifles, that's how they get into the states. They look more like our Valmets when they go into the states and then them Yanks put the right furniture on em. They have a ban on importing military firearms.
They were not in the gun mags in the early 90s when the regs were written.
The OIC was expected to be updated to include new models such as the 858, but it never was, so we got them.
Bunch of commercial chinese versions imported in 7.62 and .223 when they were not restricted. Pure crap, metal edges were so sharp you had to worry about cutting yourself.If you see one for sale, chances are that's what it is. Converted guns originated from Israel, like a whole bunch of others. Was legal at the time and the Israelis must have had warehouses full of assorted weapons to dump on the market.
There was alot more than just chinese commerical versions. I had two russian ones, one with an underfolder, Model 70 and model 72 Yugos, a romanian one and a true chinese type 56 military (non-commercial). There was also a fair amount of converted Galil's around too.
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Nope, the AK is not prohibited because it is "readily and easily convertible to full auto". It is prohibited BY NAME, and nothing else. Any gun can be converted to full auto with enough time, parts and tooling. The test is how easily that can be done, and how long it takes.
]Ar180shooter;7874208 [QUOTE said:
I love telling my fudd friends how the Aussies (or was it New Zelanders?) were converting lee enfield bolt action rifles into full auto squad automatic weapons back in the early WWII days.
So really, if you buy into the argument that a gun should be banned because it can be converted to full auto, then all guns will be banned--because given enough work and knowledge, it can be done to anything.
Hopefully those days will return...banning a Rifle simply based on it's image/name in the news or in Third World conflicts is ridiculous. To me if a long firearm meets the current regulation criteria (semi auto, pinned to 5 rds) regardless of what it's name then that should be all that is required.
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Another one bites the dust...........................
Most arrived during the 1980s. The C/A AK variants I collected were obtained via Ontario Gun & Tackle (Wilke). The Yugo M70 series showed up in the late 80s and I obtained my examples from Lovett's
I had examples of 1st,2nd and third variant AK47, N.Korean Type 68, Polish PMK&PMKM in fixed and folding stocks, Bulgarian 3rd variant AK47, RPK (an Izhevsk 1974 IIRC) Milled and stamped variations of military issue Type 56 AK (fixed and folding stocks).
I divested myself of everything except a commercial Type 56S in the early 90s. Just as well as I have enough safe queens as it is.
I had examples of 1st,2nd and third variant AK47, N.Korean Type 68, Polish PMK&PMKM in fixed and folding stocks, Bulgarian 3rd variant AK47, RPK (an Izhevsk 1974 IIRC) Milled and stamped variations of military issue Type 56 AK (fixed and folding stocks).
I divested myself of everything except a commercial Type 56S in the early 90s. Just as well as I have enough safe queens as it is.
Meaning what exactly?
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With statements like yours , one only wonders how much longer do we have left on these truncated "freedoms" that we still "enjoy" in this country. It starts with full auto , then semi-auto , on to scary-looking and black rifles , moving to repeater single actions and black powder until you're left with nothing. Your mentality is what's eroding the sport you claim to enjoy until it is no more. Hope that clears things up. Cheers.
My point was simply if the Ak-47 was made for Semi mode only and pinned to 5 rds (just like the cz-858 or SKS) then there should be no reason why it cannot be classified as a restricted or even as a non-restricted Rifle. The comment I was responding originally to was implying that a fully auto AK-47 would never be allowed into Canada and I completely agree with him that under our current rules and regulations that fully auto would not be allowed BUT if they were to meet the current criteria of Semi only and pinned to 5 then why not allow the Canadian Firearm owner to have them....I assure you my "mentality" is not intent on eroding anything.
Strato50 its just that you said we are lucky to be able to own what we own which Is not true since gun ownership is a big part of our history as Canadians, if you think about every man that lived in rural areas (90%of the population til not long ago) owned and used a rifle to put food on the table, defend himself from wild animals and defend this country from foreign invaders ( war of 1812) . Gun ownership shouldn't be a right or privalge and shouldn't be seen as such.
Reading back through my comments I can see that I certainly did not choose my words wisely, so I think I will just quietly bow out of this thread and keep my opinions to myself.
