Funny Rig for LEO

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trekstor said:
Rifle is also over done, I would be just running a carbon fiber tube forearm or one of those rounds ones to eliminate all the rail space. perfect example how rail space is useless. NEA got that part right imo.

Id be rocking something like this, super simple, super light, I done with tacticool rifle, had to many useless:

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its his tac vest is a absolutely overdone. This thread was posted to talk about how people over do rigs and forget to keep it simple. That guy is rocking USA army style rig. Black water guys had less, less is more. This thread has a place, and should not be shut down. It serves a purpose. Critic a rig. So people can learn from it.
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You wouldn't even have a light? lol

So what would you have in an active shooter carry kit?

J
 
I personally would carry 3 to 4 mags maximum, first aid kit, 2 pistol mags, handcuffs, ( maybe those plastic ones ), and a radio.

I think this kit below is something that would represent simple, active shooter means, a 1 or small group of shooters, not w.w.3.

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I am assuming the LEO already has a bullet proof vest, since that rig wasn't a carrier anyway.

as for comment above, about my rifle choice, it is more simple, here is a better picture.

not easy to find a simple ar15, everyone has Christmas trees.

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All I would add to it a Inforce WML light, folding front post, rear flip up sights, and a micro aim point, and a CTR adjustable stock.

In reality a MP5 is good example of simple:

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just add a aim point micro and a light, that rifle is perfect. Yes LEO can run those rifles. with silencer or not who cares.
 
Nope, but just pure example of excess. We live in free country, and if we feel like talking about someone rigs being overdone, why do you care? leave the thread and go troll some where else.

Thank you

back to the topics, talking about simple setups. maybe someone has ideas or pictures of sharing, "Less is more" ideology.
 
trekstor said:
I personally would carry 3 to 4 mags maximum, first aid kit, 2 pistol mags, handcuffs, ( maybe those plastic ones ), and a radio.

I think this kit below is something that would represent simple, active shooter means, a 1 or small group of shooters, not w.w.3.

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I am assuming the LEO already has a bullet proof vest, since that rig wasn't a carrier anyway.

as for comment above, about my rifle choice, it is more simple, here is a better picture.

not easy to find a simple ar15, everyone has Christmas trees.

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All I would add to it a Inforce WML light, folding front post, rear flip up sights, and a micro aim point, and a CTR adjustable stock.

In reality a MP5 is good example of simple:

mp5-sd5.jpg


just add a aim point micro and a light, that rifle is perfect. Yes LEO can run those rifles. with silencer or not who cares.
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No mask, no gloves, no tourniquet, water? At least you would now use basically everything that is on the rifle in the op. His vest is likely something put in the car everyday for an active shooter. I don't think I have as much kit as he does in mine, but mine is in a pack, not a vest. Active shooter you go in alone or with backup. Once in you don't have any medical or supply support until it is secure.

I am not sure what agency you work for but IMHO you need to put more thought into a bail out bag.

EDIT - and you have the luxury of choosing what firearm you can take?
 
Why do i need a mask for active shooter? For tear gas? That would not be part of a active shooter kit, to bulky, and I bet the LEO we are talking about also does not have a gas mask. you can use a balaclava if you rally want? But why?

gloves are on my hands...

tourniquet is in your medical kit,

water, Do I have time for water in active shooter? drink a bottle before you go, if your really concerned about that, add a camel back or something or water pouch.

I prefer to be fast, and light, over being bulky and slow.
 
your question was valid, and let me respond to it, No there is not no protocol. Run what you want. Just keep it simple IMO. KISS rule works, always works in most cases. I just posted a picture of a LEO running a massively overdone chest rig, pretty decent ar, on a active shooter case with a knife. Most dont know what type of weapon was used so we can justify fire power. But lets be real, you dont need crazy rig to be effective in active shooter case.

Just to support my point, look at Taliban, very effective for little gear they have. Many cases where engagement was made with Taliban's, and USA succeeded in that fight, it was mostly due to heavy air support. USA ARMY fancy gear does not mean firepower superiority. In that conflict air force made the difference.

I have no interests in winning this point, it is my opinion. If we cant talk about this topic, how can we talk about anything? lol

This LEO hindered his ability to be effective with his bulky rig. that's my point.

Reasons, to bulky to heavy for possible level or engagement.

Everyone can state their opinion, but lets keep it civil.
 
But there are so many variables here that we don't know. This rig might be a hand me down, the rig might be a hold off from his Armed forces days and he wants to get more usage on already bought kit. etc. etc. But if your intent was to promote the KISS rule. Then yes, maybe he is overdressed.
 
many LEOs, civilians, and contractors have to make up their minds on how much is to much what is not enough. I know I think about it often, and my rig is still evolving.
 
I went from having everything on my rig, to now building a simple one, light. once I get it all done ill post a picture. Maybe other people can reference their own rigs.
 
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Why do i need a mask for active shooter? For tear gas? That would not be part of a active shooter kit, to bulky, and I bet the LEO we are talking about also does not have a gas mask. you can use a balaclava if you rally want? But why?

gloves are on my hands...

tourniquet is in your medical kit,

water, Do I have time for water in active shooter? drink a bottle before you go, if your really concerned about that, add a camel back or something or water pouch.

I prefer to be fast, and light, over being bulky and slow.
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You want a mask for a active shooter situation because yes, tear gas may be deployed, either by police or as bear spray by the suspects, I carry a gas mask on my IARD kit. Also things get set on fire sometimes and it helps out. Nothing sucks more than running into a building and you're eyes start watering, you start coughing and you have no mask to clear the building with. I've required the use of my mask several times for shots fired / weapons calls where bad guys used some form of OC.

Active shooters can also turn into long drawn out events, water bottle is useful, when you're running around with hard armour, carbines and pistols and other gear you get thirsty quick. I've also had to camp out in a open area for several hours after shots fired during negotiations, so I have food(bars) and water now. Once you go in, depending on where you are, you may not be able to safety extract or get relived so you're stuck, at that point I'd rather have everything. :bigHug::bigHug::bigHug::bigHug: is never quick in good police work.. if it's f'd up.. then it's quick.

The police don't need the fastest light weight, you're not running in as fast as you can, that's asking to get picked off and killed, you're clearing and looking for the threat at a quick pace.

That said.. at a minimum you have Handcuffs, OC, Baton, Radio, Notebook, Pens, Flashlight, 2x mags, pistol in ADDITION to whatever else you'll add.
 
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trekstor said:
many LEOs, civilians, and contractors have to make up their minds on how much is to much what is not enough. I know I think about it often, and my rig is still evolving.
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Most of us have not been in a active shooter situation and likely never will. We are preparing based on what if's. Being your rig is still evolving maybe you would tell us exactly what you have in your rig instead of pictures of what you think one should have?

J
 
My active shooter rig is my duty belt, auto C8, couple C8 mags in my cargo pocket, and some plates thrown over my body armor, and a black kevlar helmet. Or it will be once we get all the gear in that we are supposed to have.
 
I'm getting lost here. You complain that the rifle and rig are too much but then offer up these ridiculous non standard ARs with custom parts that may be fine on a spacegun but have no place on duty rifle. His rifle is basic and uses proven components, all of your suggestions have done nothing to simplify the rifle. How does a folding sight simplify things? I fail to see how an Inforce WML offers anything over his Scout light, in fact it complicates things because of the different light settings, strobe and IR functions. I personally won't touch a weapon light that has different outputs or strobe functions, I want a simple on or off on a weapon light. Probably why Pat Rogers had them make a simple on off version of the WML (wish I had that kind of pull). ETA: My mistake, looks like it was Travis Haley who had input on the WML HSP

Are you seriously saying that he shouldn't have his water bottle? A simple call can turn into hours, water is a necessity. I've had to go out on a couple of occasions and resup guys who didn't think they needed water, thought they'd be back in no time. You say he should have a Camelback if anything, yet I've seen Camelbacks fail so I've started relying more on the standard US 1 and 2qt canteens. Even if I was running a simple no frills war belt with nothing more than a couple of rifle and pistol mags it would have a canteen.

His rig does look a little busy and could probably be stripped down a bit however if it works for him then who are we to criticize? He's obviously on a call and didn't have to hump with that kit on all day to get there so the weight isn't as much of an issue as it would be with military personnel.

You're right about rigs constantly evolving and we have no idea what sort of experiences and training led him to his current setup, six months from now he might not be sporting the same rig.
 
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My guess, judging by his attire he was called in on a day off and it was a grab and go situation. I think this was the Wyoming campus shooting.
 
Full water bottle is good for drinking from when needed and scenario allows.

Empty water bottle is good for pissing in when needed and the scenario allows and not leaving your watch point.


I have been to too many active attacker events with nothing, because that is exactly what I am issued for such events. Nothing. We are left to buying our own kits and being told its not issued, so we cannot have it.

Been there many times, done that many times.

A lot of people on here talk smack and have no idea what they are talking about.

That first kit is of a non uniformed copper rushing to an event and putting on HIS rig that he trains with. How many can say that here in real world experience.

Not many.
 
trekstor said:
I personally would carry 3 to 4 mags maximum, first aid kit, 2 pistol mags, handcuffs, ( maybe those plastic ones ), and a radio.

I think this kit below is something that would represent simple, active shooter means, a 1 or small group of shooters, not w.w.3.

microstacked.jpg


I am assuming the LEO already has a bullet proof vest, since that rig wasn't a carrier anyway.

as for comment above, about my rifle choice, it is more simple, here is a better picture.

not easy to find a simple ar15, everyone has Christmas trees.

images37.jpg


All I would add to it a Inforce WML light, folding front post, rear flip up sights, and a micro aim point, and a CTR adjustable stock.

In reality a MP5 is good example of simple:

mp5-sd5.jpg


just add a aim point micro and a light, that rifle is perfect. Yes LEO can run those rifles. with silencer or not who cares.
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You have me re-thinking getting a fixed butt stock on my SBR. I think a fixed one is an option that has somehow gotten forgotten in the world of Koolaid.

We have a 10.5" AR at work with a fixed stock, and it is nice to shoulder.
 
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