Funny Rig for LEO

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Armchair quarterbacks should do just that...sit back....relax....and STFU about things, people or situations, they know nothing about.
 
Odds are he's from a small department that doesn't have a dedicated SWAT team. He's probably trained up and the standard is to have a fully unsupported operator load out as you never know when the rest of your crew is going to roll up with the clock running down.

It's funny how quick to criticize some people are without really understanding the requirements placed upon this guy. I say good on him for running to the violence in service of his fellow man.
 
celtic1123 said:
Never mentioned anything about his rifle, I think it's a great example of what a working AR needs on it. None of the extra random sh*t that serves no purpose other than to weigh you down. As for the amount of stuff granted I'm not in his situation, so I don't know exactly what is required. But I should have worded it a little better, I more meant that it's a lot of stuff and seems crammed in to any available spot. Just my opinion that it's more of a tour rig. As for the possible shotgun shells in a grenade pouch. . . fill your boots I guess. I'd think that it would be a hindrance being in there, but whatever works for him. Still stand by my previous opinion that the med pouch is in an inaccessible place. Maybe he's one of those guys that puts it on his back so that someone coming for buddy or first aid will have to roll him to use his kit thus remembering to check his back for any wounds. However, you still need to be able to reach your pouch for self aid.
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I agree with you on the rifle, I should've clarified that my writing above the segment of your post that I quoted was directed at the OP.

Edited to add: I also agree with you on the location of the IFAK, but it could be a standardized location as per unit SOP.
 
Seems some what normal if he's SWAT... The FBI and Secret Service guys wear just as much gear. They even have flash bangs in pouches mounted to their back, so the #2 guy can grab them as needed for room clearance. Thing is, we don't quite know the circumstances around the scenario. He could have been off duty and got an active shooter call. Not knowing the full situation before arriving on scene, he could have grabbed what he thought he'd need for active shooter/hostage rescue...

Just some of you guys don't have a need for all that "crap" doesn't mean that someone else doesn't need it.
 
Farmboy said:
A number of LE are also ex military.

A larger number of US LE also buy their own gear compared to Canadian LE, due to it being allowed as well as not provided by the dept.



What kind of bow? Crossbow? Compound? Arrows and soft armor don't mix.
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They haven't actually identified the exact weapon used. They have only specified it was a "bow and arrow". But ya, that was my thoughts. 3 people were killed, but I believe that includes the suspect, which was self-inflicted.
 
celtic1123:

The shotty shells are carried to top up the shot gunner's ammo if he needs it (kind of how we each always carried a spare box of ammo for the LMG/GPMG), or if the gun is passed around as needed.

As you made note, the IFAK is located so the operator using it on him can access it readily.

Generally, self aid in a tactical situation involves fighting your way back to a (more) secure location for aid. If it's not bad enough to put you down, you can generally get to help or clear the area before you're incapacitated.
 
Maple Leaf Pilgrim said:
celtic1123:

The shotty shells are carried to top up the shot gunner's ammo if he needs it (kind of how we each always carried a spare box of ammo for the LMG/GPMG), or if the gun is passed around as needed.

As you made note, the IFAK is located so the operator using it on him can access it readily.

Generally, self aid in a tactical situation involves fighting your way back to a (more) secure location for aid. If it's not bad enough to put you down, you can generally get to help or clear the area before you're incapacitated.
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Trust me I know plenty about carrying spare ammo for section/platoon weapons, or even carrying a mission specific/spare weapon. But with regards to the shells, I only say they would be better served being in a dedicated shell holder. Can attach it to a different area with MOLLE if he wants to keep the grenade pouch. This way if need be he can take the shotgun, and still be able to easily access spare ammo. Just my opinion, and like I've stated I'm not in this particular situation. I'm just giving my opinion, from my experiences.

As for the med pouch, you want it in a spot where you can also reach it. I have no problem with putting it on the back so if someone does come up to give buddy/first aid they roll you and check your back. HOWEVER you also want it readily accessible if YOU need to use it. You can't always fight your way back to get help, and sometimes can't wait for someone to come get you. Again just my opinion on the subject, and based on my experiences. I'm not telling this guy what to do, or saying that everyone should follow my opinions. Because they are just that, MY opinions.

I will say this though, as long as he trains as he fights then that's better than most can say.
 
Funny thing is, OP's question would be totally legitimate if he had only put it in the proper context without exposing the armchair ninja commando attitude which is pretty evident he couldn't hide.

If the thread was simply him asking about low profile, high speed duty gear based on simplicity, all would be well.

Instead, we got him mocking LEO's, adding his own tacticool gear and claiming it is better than the exact same thing he originally was bashing, posting a plethora of blackwater pictures as if he somehow worships the now defunct company like some sort of super mall ninja and then tries to cover it all up by saying all he wanted to talk about is simple gear.

If he didn't have the "I'm better than these guys because my gear is better in front of a mirror and I take tactical fashion cues from blackwater" attitude, this would have been a completely legit thread.

It's hard to be this ninja, make a thread and be subtle about it isn't it?
 
Sometimes I wake up in a cold sweat at 4 am (oh dark hundred?) and whisper to myself "TV, you might be a flippin mall ninja."

But then in the light of day I read threads like this and I don't worry so much. :p
 
My active shooter rig is a duffle bag full of guns, some crystal meth, pipe bombs and chains with locks and duct tape. From what you guys have listed you are going to make awful active shooters. I think you guys really need to rethink your kits.
 
Hell, just sticky this thread. It definitely contains some of the better stupidity I have seen here in recent months.


I have seen some setups on LE and mil guys that I thought were pretty out there and clearly the product of a lack of experience with the gear...not every soldier is a shooter and not every cop is on the ERT, so some guys lay their gear out on guesswork and come up with solutions that aren't the best, and if you shoot a lot you might notice the things that are wrong. I would still be inclined to be polite about my OPINIONS on what they might change, of course...sometimes they are working with mandates I would not know about, and if I started spouting off about what should go where, I'd just look like an idiot. For example, I once saw a vest that had a bunch of stuff on the back that seemed totally out of place to me...but it turned out that the guy was set up to supply a guy behind him in the stack and that was the mandatory policy of that unit. I could have made fun of his gear selection because it did look bizarre...but he had a totally valid reason for setting it up that way.


In this thread, on the other hand, we have a guy with a setup where it's impossible to tell what's really right and wrong, because we don't know the requirements.

But that hasn't stopped a guy who clearly knows SFA about it from criticizing the choices...in fact that's the guy who CREATED this thread. Amazing! Truly one of the better efforts here on CGN.
 
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