Norinco T97 Non Restricted PRESALE!
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bcbravo2zero
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I think most people do.
Not me. I thought the original response to Ghostie was incredibly childish, over-the-top and petty.
Given the history with these guns, I say Ghostie raised some reasonable questions and points about the FRT/approval.
Absolutely! I am glad that SOME people encourage rational/fully-thought through behavior rather than simply believing everything we read on the internet as fact... 5000 posts or not cbabes... that was an inappropriate comment.
I think its funny that every thread on this site turns into a pissing match and hating on each other....litterally the first 3-5 pages are good info, and then it instantly degrades into pursonal opinions and flaming each other for them. silly humans
bcbravo2zero
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Alright boys, now that we're all getting along, pray to whatever god you worship to BRING ON THE GUNS that, according to any reasonable standard, should be available for purchase to THE most law-abiding group of people in the country: licensed gun owners.
I am sorry not to keep rehashing but what did I say that was inappropriate?
Were you aware you agree with both sides, both for and against Ghostie's comments.
Expectation is you are like most people so you agree.
I agree with you.
Expectation is you are like most people so you agree.
I think most people do.
I guess it's easy to take me too serious on this forum. You would like me in person.
I never meant to be a prick. You should see me on Facebook. Pot stirrer extrodanaire! lol
Thats true. But the manner that he presented it was very annoying. If a grown man spoke to me like that in real life id probably have to ask him to stop so i could walk away.
"Do you know who it is that sent in a sample and got it approved, and when that took place?
I don't want to be the harbinger of doom and gloom, but... there seems to be a deafening silence on the details here. At least four retailers now say that they are bringing these in. There is no way four different parties are independently importing these. I would like to know who is the prime mover behind this, and what steps they have taken."
Seems like you have a nice little hunch...... also seems like no one cares.
"I have it straight from the horse's mouth (Murray A. Smith, Firearms Section, RCMP Forensics Laboratory Services, testifying under oath in Vancouver) that no new "semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm" (whatever that means, but you can take it to the bank that any semi-automatic T95/T97-style firearm will fall into that category in their minds) will be available in Canada unless a sample has been submitted and approved. I would really like to know when that process took place, and who initiated it."
you want to know names of people who are conducting business? this cannot be private information anymore? Is there a need for transparency? If so why? I tend to believe that sfrc has legit ways of conducting themselves and perhaps are more versed in importing these weapons than you.... so why are you entitled to an explanation....
"This is my question as well. Can someone please post .pdf or some kind of image of the new FRT."
again, bud, if it so important why not go find it yourself? should the people who run sfrc go running to their file cabinets to satisfy you?
just my thoughts
"Do you know who it is that sent in a sample and got it approved, and when that took place?
I don't want to be the harbinger of doom and gloom, but... there seems to be a deafening silence on the details here. At least four retailers now say that they are bringing these in. There is no way four different parties are independently importing these. I would like to know who is the prime mover behind this, and what steps they have taken."
Seems like you have a nice little hunch...... also seems like no one cares.
"I have it straight from the horse's mouth (Murray A. Smith, Firearms Section, RCMP Forensics Laboratory Services, testifying under oath in Vancouver) that no new "semi-automatic version of an automatic firearm" (whatever that means, but you can take it to the bank that any semi-automatic T95/T97-style firearm will fall into that category in their minds) will be available in Canada unless a sample has been submitted and approved. I would really like to know when that process took place, and who initiated it."
you want to know names of people who are conducting business? this cannot be private information anymore? Is there a need for transparency? If so why? I tend to believe that sfrc has legit ways of conducting themselves and perhaps are more versed in importing these weapons than you.... so why are you entitled to an explanation....
"This is my question as well. Can someone please post .pdf or some kind of image of the new FRT."
again, bud, if it so important why not go find it yourself? should the people who run sfrc go running to their file cabinets to satisfy you?
just my thoughts
CanadianReich
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Yup.
Ive had a type 97 on order from Canada ammo forever..... for as long as ive been on CGN anyway...... just before they shipped the thing it gets "OMG thats not NR its P!" reclassified....
even if the cops did look at it and say its cool here is your FRT number..... they can always say "oops" we boo booed now hand them all over in 30 days with no refund or we send armed goons to your house......
(insert gestapo image here)
The type 97 has been a big fight for the antis VS the pros.... the NFA in the courts I think, Canada ammo VS cops and their political aspirations. Im betting the gun is a symbol of some sort by now on both ends of the fight .... I can't help but feel it would be slated for a disproportionate level of RCMP eye-balling in the future.
Yeah, I know, doom and gloom..... i gotta be me thou
#1bcshooter
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North sylva is the importer!
THERE IS NO FRT yet
THERE IS NO FRT yet
I did go find it myself, and I posted everything in the black rifle forum. In fact, I am just about the only one on here who did anything other than have my eyes glaze over at the prospect of playing with a new black rifle toy, even when what was coming from the retailers was so obviously implausible given the history of the T97.
Did you know that just within the last 4 weeks North Sylva had their "T97NS prototype" classified as Prohibited? Look it up yourself, or find somebody that knows how to do it, if you don't believe me. It is all there in the publically accessible records. The classification of firearms is not some private matter between a business and the government.
Now, after just having been rejected, North Sylva are giving it another try.... hoping to get a classification other than Prohibited. I commend them for that. This will be attempt number 5, by my count, to try and bring a Restricted or Non-Restricted version of the T97 to the Canadian market. I sincerely wish them luck with this. I hope this is the one, I hope it happens and I hope it happens quickly, but for now we all need to snap out of this Type 97 frenzy and calm down. It's just an application at this point. There has been no approval of anything. The pre-ordering of unapproved firearms is pointless, and I would say actively harmful to these businesses.
There is at least one dealer whose website is still saying "approved for Canada as Non-Restricted" and "coming in Early Spring 2013", which is all pure speculation, and they are taking $250 deposits. 200 pre-orders with a $250 deposit = $50,000. Do you not see a problem here?
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Have you been asleep or what. Didn't want to bring this up but You probably didn't like his manner cause dude talks like a lawyer. Clear, concise, objective questions bothers those with things to hide.
AND EVERYONE cares, but most didn't have the knowledge about the FRT.
Perhaps you may want to keep your thoughts to yourself. Of course everyone has a right to express their opinion; keep on embarrassing yourself at your pleasure. Sure many are having a good laugh at your expense.
AND EVERYONE cares, but most didn't have the knowledge about the FRT.
Perhaps you may want to keep your thoughts to yourself. Of course everyone has a right to express their opinion; keep on embarrassing yourself at your pleasure. Sure many are having a good laugh at your expense.
ghostie seems pretty level-headed to me. The opposite of reckless.
A few very childish comments directed at him... seems unnecessarily malicious, given the guy's expressing legitimate concerns in a respectful way.
A few very childish comments directed at him... seems unnecessarily malicious, given the guy's expressing legitimate concerns in a respectful way.
blaxsun
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I agree. There was nothing out-of-line with his original post. He was simply asking valid questions. And contrary to popular belief, some dealers made the announcement indicating they had an approved FRT number in-hand. I can confirm that no such FRT exists. At least for a non-restricted T97...
sly mantis
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I know cbabes in person and he's a friend of mine. Like he said, dont take anything he says too seriously. He does just like to stir the pot and get people riled up.
As far as ghosties comments, he makes some very valid points and he was correct on the lack of FRT.
However do i agree with ghosties statement that a preorder on this is "pointless. No. D
oes it bother me or affect my decision on a preorder that no FRT is approved yet? Not even slightly. I was one of the first 8 people preordered from SFRC for this. So if it is approved and arrives i will be one of the first people holding this rifle in my hand and not regretting that i didnt preorder like the people who were "concerned" that there is no FRT. Remember, my preorder cost me NOTHING from SFRC. which is how it should be done.
As far as his other note that NS submitted the T97NS recently and it got prohibited, that doest discourage me. In fact that information incourages me. YOu know why? Because we didnt see a preorder for teh T97NS. That tells me that they submitted and didnt let any dealers know because they didnt know what the classification status would be. Which also tells me they probably got alot of feed back on why made it classified as prohib and worked to fix it in the 97NSR version before it is submitted. Also the fact that they have informed dealers of teh NSR version shows that they have confidence they've addressed all the issues and that this one goes through.
Oh no, but what if it doesnt got through? Again, ive lost nothing in my preorder. Will i be disappointed. Yes, but i wont regret putting my preorder in for the chance to be one of the first to have this rifle if it does go though.
The one thing ghostie does bring up is teh dealer that is requiring a deposit. That i do not agree with and a deposit on a rifle that's not approved isnt the right thing to do. That is why SFRC got my order because they are preordering with no deposit.
If it doesnt get approved, guess what? Im out no money. Nothing was charged to me.
And again if these dont show up then we've lost nothing with our SFRC preorder. But if these do come in, myself and Cbabes will be driving up together to SFRC to pick up our rifles and right to the range after to shoot the crap out of them.
As far as ghosties comments, he makes some very valid points and he was correct on the lack of FRT.
However do i agree with ghosties statement that a preorder on this is "pointless. No. D
oes it bother me or affect my decision on a preorder that no FRT is approved yet? Not even slightly. I was one of the first 8 people preordered from SFRC for this. So if it is approved and arrives i will be one of the first people holding this rifle in my hand and not regretting that i didnt preorder like the people who were "concerned" that there is no FRT. Remember, my preorder cost me NOTHING from SFRC. which is how it should be done.
As far as his other note that NS submitted the T97NS recently and it got prohibited, that doest discourage me. In fact that information incourages me. YOu know why? Because we didnt see a preorder for teh T97NS. That tells me that they submitted and didnt let any dealers know because they didnt know what the classification status would be. Which also tells me they probably got alot of feed back on why made it classified as prohib and worked to fix it in the 97NSR version before it is submitted. Also the fact that they have informed dealers of teh NSR version shows that they have confidence they've addressed all the issues and that this one goes through.
Oh no, but what if it doesnt got through? Again, ive lost nothing in my preorder. Will i be disappointed. Yes, but i wont regret putting my preorder in for the chance to be one of the first to have this rifle if it does go though.
The one thing ghostie does bring up is teh dealer that is requiring a deposit. That i do not agree with and a deposit on a rifle that's not approved isnt the right thing to do. That is why SFRC got my order because they are preordering with no deposit.
If it doesnt get approved, guess what? Im out no money. Nothing was charged to me.
And again if these dont show up then we've lost nothing with our SFRC preorder. But if these do come in, myself and Cbabes will be driving up together to SFRC to pick up our rifles and right to the range after to shoot the crap out of them.
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