When I was applying for my Wilderness ATC I was told by the CFO office that although hard, it was not impossible to get approved for an automatic. I was applying for one with my 1911 .45 ACP. The only reason I didn't follow through was because they needed a specific date on when I'd need it and I didn't have a specific date to give.
9mm big enough?
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When I was applying for my Wilderness ATC I was told by the CFO office that although hard, it was not impossible to get approved for an automatic. I was applying for one with my 1911 .45 ACP. The only reason I didn't follow through was because they needed a specific date on when I'd need it and I didn't have a specific date to give.
A bipedal assailant may simply have a knife; a bear is going to be coming toward you at fifty clicks. Also, most would-be home-invaders, etc. have seen so many TV shows and movies that racking a slide will be interpreted as "do not touch/GTFO." Still, a 12ga. is far more intimidating, and it is better to make a person flee one's home without even having to fire a shot.
Also, revolvers can handle ballistically more efficient (for killing large animals) rounds, like hardcast wadcutters. And even a 10mm won't come near the energy of a .454 Casull.
If carrying concealed handguns was legal for mere mortals in Canada (e.g., not just judges, Crown Prosecutors, etc.), I might consider a pistol...but I would rotate the ammo out monthly, as close proximity to one's body will eventually harm primers. Again, the ability of a revolver to simply ignore a dud round with a trigger pull is a huge plus.
Please go on about how your ambient body temperature negatively effects the primer.
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LOL! Oh man, this thread just keeps getting better and better doesn't it? I come back for the pure entertainment now....
Yes, but that wasn't even the question of the OP. Few people need a MD to tell them that rifle rounds are more reliable to kill BG than pistol rounds.
A human may simply have a gun....
And yeah you expect to hit a bear running at you with 6 rounds fired from a revolver?
I was wondering how long it would take before someone brought up bear defence.
I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt
Ok, I will give you that one. I guess you are just a better person than me
Shawn
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but one thing about an automatic, they are a lot quicker to reload... unless you're Jerry Miculek
I can't think of many problems that couldn't be dealt with, using 6 rounds...
Then again, I live in a pretty quite part of tow... and the wife could also provide covering fire while I reload...
+1. John Lott has indicated that ~98% of defensive gun uses in the US involve no shots fired at all, simply presenting a firearm was enough to send the bad guy running. For the other 2%, you have to be committed to using whatever gun you have or you are in serious trouble.
See above, Lott says that 98% of DGU's do not involve a round being fired, presenting a gun was enough. It is a very bad idea to count on that, however. If you have a gun to use in self defense you better be prepared to use it for the 2% who don't run away.
Reading comprehension is not a big thing on CGN.
Even 7.62 is big enough ...the proper 7.62 that is
Indeed, the right 7.62 is clearly the winner in the 9mm vs. everything else debate. Not very holsterable, though.
Is that a preference for 19th century technology or simply because there are very few semi's in large enough calibers to be considered reasonable for wildlife defense? Has anyone asked about carrying a Desert Eagle in .44 Mag?
+1. That kind of took the wind out of his sails for me. The primer theory just finished the job.
Mark
You can always throw that 4lbs hunk of steel to the bear; you have a chance to knock it out
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Why would you apply for an ATC for a .45ACP pistol, when you have such a low opinion of the .454 Casull?
What leads you to think that you would have enough time, to get off even SIX, WELL AIMED shots?
Sorry, I just had to ask Eh!
What leads you to think that you would have enough time, to get off even SIX, WELL AIMED shots?
Sorry, I just had to ask Eh!
A human may simply have a gun....
And yeah you expect to hit a bear running at you with 6 rounds fired from a revolver?
Just to see if I could be approved. I don't have a low opinion of any gun if you can place well aimed shots at something. Being charged by a bear though isn't the best time to rely upon a side arm
Most couldn't even get off three well placed shots. That is also the problem with handgun for bear defense, they aren't a stable platform as a long gun. The size of round you need for a viable bear defense means a lot of recoil to handle on a sidearm
Never said I did... where did you read that?
I'm not anti revolver, they have their place!
If I wanted to shoot into space with a 9mm, would I use a flat point, jsp, fmj or 9mm boat tail? What grain wood be best to get the highest altitude
Shooter1of38
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You would need a 124 grain FMJ.......tracer rounds.
That way you can see your shots trailing off into the stratosphere while blasting the Scorpion's "Rock you like a Hurricane"
in the background would be the cast of Sons of Guns......even the swamp donkey
