New Norinco M305

If you get a really bad assembled/finished Norinco, that's just bad karma caused by your previous life. Enroll as soon as possible into any transcendental meditation clinic, those yogic flyers seem to be the best, and try to reconnect with your former self. Actually,.... it may be your present self that's the culprit, and all your past sins are being heaped onto your Norinco purchase. You can be cleansed of course for an additional gratuity, just look for an LRB:NAA: dealer near you, or even a Springfieldf:P: dealer for that matter, its just paying the bigger money that really cleanses and makes it work anyway, and your world will again be tranquil, and life at the range will never be better.:stirthepot2:
 
Buzzballer said:
I experienced the same problem and re indexing the barrel fixed it.
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No doubt, the rifle can be fixed.

But should someone who purchased a new rifle from a dealer be responsible for fixing it?

For the record, I got a good one, and I think most people on this forum lucked out too... Norinco QC is not always so hot, but they are great fun to shoot when you find yourself a good one!

(MOST OF THEM ARE GOOD!)

(This one isn't...)
 
LordEvilPepper said:
uneven lugs, another staple of a norinco, that will open the group right up.... but I would be more worried about the barrel coming off the reciever at an angle. that cannot be fixed and is a bad reciever. I can't be sure because Im not holding the rifle myself but in that picture When I took a strait edge to it I can see it coming out at a angle to the right.
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The curve you're seeing may just be an artifact of the lens on the camera phone I used. Just eyeballing the actual rifle, it looks straight.
 
JRW (QOR) said:
I have one, no regrets at all she shoots flawlessly and accurately to 500m. Rough, yes. Its at battle rifle, not a beauty contest. The mag maybe tight as some of the lugs are welded too far down. Its not the rifle. Just drumel a bit off the bottom of the lug.
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It's not the magazine lug, its the metal inserts that run along the inside of the magazine well of the stock. They're binding against the sides of the magazine.
 
autocrash said:
Binding of the op-rod is likely due to the indexing problem. The op-rod only fits in the track properly if the op rod guide is centered, otherwise the angle will cause the track to torque the op-rod...

(it may cause the op-rod to pop out of the track as well while firing... )
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Looking the rifle over more, it is due to the index problem. The op-rod guide is clockwise on the barrel (when viewed from the rear) enough so that the inside edge of the op-rod is contacting the flange (or flare, don't know what it is officially called) on the side of the barrel. There is just enough slack on the guide that if I push it over counter-clockwise just a hair, the op-rod doesn't bind against the barrel. Of course, it doesn't stay there after one cycle of the action.

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You can see where the op-rod has worn the finish off the barrel and exposed bare metal:
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As for the tail of the piston, why on earth is it machined so coarsely when it has to slide back and forth through the hole in the back of the gas cylinder??? It prevents the piston from sliding smoothly backwards and forwards on the tilt test.
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yomomma said:
Don't listen to the neigh sayers.

The m305 is an excellent platform for two things. One, a cheap but power full fun gun
Two, a build platform.

My basic $400 rifle plus $1200 in accessories has put my gun on par with the $2300 rifles made by the states

People need to know what they are buying and what they are buying it for.
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I wouldn't spend $1200 on a Chinese copy $400 rifle. You still have a $400 rifle. You would be better off buying a gun made in the USA and be proud to own it and not have to tell people it's a Chinese copy. Why drink poopsi when you can drink Pepsi.
 
Nelson84 said:
I wouldn't spend $1200 on a Chinese copy $400 rifle. You still have a $400 rifle. You would be better off buying a gun made in the USA and be proud to own it and not have to tell people it's a Chinese copy. Why drink poopsi when you can drink Pepsi.
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There are advantages to the Norc. Forged reciver, not cast like SA. Chrome lined barrel. So replace all the other parts with SA parts amd you have a rifle with a superior reciver and barrel for less money. Of couse the finish is still rough.
 
I broke down and bought one last weekend, but only because Jo Brook was selling them for $399 at the Brandon show and I was able to inspect it beforehand. From the info here I think I have a decent example. If the indexing is off then I can't detect it. Barrel looks like it came out of an amateur lathe class, but the bolt lockup and sights seem ok. I'm still going to test fire it tied to an old tyre, however.
 
Mark-II said:
I broke down and bought one last weekend, but only because Jo Brook was selling them for $399 at the Brandon show and I was able to inspect it beforehand. From the info here I think I have a decent example. If the indexing is off then I can't detect it. Barrel looks like it came out of an amateur lathe class, but the bolt lockup and sights seem ok. I'm still going to test fire it tied to an old tyre, however.
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wow, you lucked out and that's a great price! was this for the shorty?
 
Odd Shot said:
The problem is -- in my case -- If I try to "fix up" this crappy looking "new" rifle, I'd still have a rifle that looked like it was assembled by someone who just came off a bender AND I would have sunk more money into it.

Kind of like putting fancy big rims and a spoiler on 1.5L Honda Civic with crooked doors and saying it was a Lexus sports car.

Sounds more like a money pit. Not as good a deal as I had hoped.

Had I known that the rifle I would receive would have looked like this, I would not have purchased it. For the same reason, I don't buy anything that has the disclaimer "Sold As Is". I had no intention of purchasing a "fixer-upper"

I'm glad those of you who have the inclination to tinker with things enjoy working on "fixer-uppers". It's just not for me and not what I intended to do with this purchase.
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Well sounds to me like you made up your mind, cut your lossess and sell it, or go return it
 
A board member has been generous enough to take a look at it and see what may be involved in making it safe or acceptable. I'll make up my mind what to do with it then.
 
Update....

OddShot is on his way home as I type this. The re-index took longer to apply masking tape and clamp up the parallels. Photo to be posted soon by Oddshot when he gets home safely.

Gas cylinder shimmed with 2 shims x 8 thou and Oddshot used the Sadlak gas cylinder wrench to crank that lock down to the 6 o'clock position. Nice and snug. Yeah, we tried the 180 fix, but BOTH final position settled at 12 o'clock... go figure! :D

The flash suppressor was welded on Friday afternoon around 1500 because a few taps and it came off! :)

Op rod guide was loose as all the USGI 12.5 rifles I used to compete with (read: plays Jingle Bells when you shake the front end of the barrel). Hammered a bunch of dimples 360 degrees around the op rod guide on the barrel and re-installed after whacking it BACK into place with plastic hammer and flat punch. Tight as heck. No red Loctite needed. New pin 1/8" x 3/4" installed. Life is good.

Hammered the 3 splines on gas cylinder interface on the barrel , then hammered the 3 splines on the flash suppressor. Remember; never watch me put together a match rifle (read: HOLY Hammer used) :dancingbanana:

Greased the entire rifle where it was needed and then greased the trigger group at the sear and hammer interface, hammer face and nose. Trigger was smooth from the high school shop class. :eek: Not bad, I say. I was impressed

Here's the biggest surprise.... The rear sights worked. Holy feces! :cool:

No need to rush out and buy Italian sourced M1 Garand rear sight knobs YET!

This rifle is a keeper! Damn... I never shoulda revealed these 'green light' discoveries. I shoulda offered him $ 300 CASH (Like Oliver Jewelry in Toronto, I'm da KashMan.... I give you money for your old gold, OH YEAH!). You Toronto dudes know how annoying those TV adverts are! :nest:

Now he has to smooth things out by firing 300 x 7.62mm MFS through that barrel while simultaneously yelling, "Fzck you, GI!" just like in "Defense of Firebase Gloria" movie with R Lee Ermey. LOL

So, who else wants to visit me for an M14 tuneup? You are gonna do all the work, not me! LOL ha ha ha ha :evil:

Return? Weeee don't need no stinkin' return (back to the dealer, I mean) !!

Cheers all,

Barney
 
Hungry said:
Update....

OddShot is on his way home as I type this. The re-index took longer to apply masking tape and clamp up the parallels. Photo to be posted soon by Oddshot when he gets home safely.

Gas cylinder shimmed with 2 shims x 8 thou and Oddshot used the Sadlak gas cylinder wrench to crank that lock down to the 6 o'clock position. Nice and snug. Yeah, we tried the 180 fix, but BOTH final position settled at 12 o'clock... go figure! :D

The flash suppressor was welded on Friday afternoon around 1500 because a few taps and it came off! :)

Op rod guide was loose as all the USGI 12.5 rifles I used to compete with (read: plays Jingle Bells when you shake the front end of the barrel). Hammered a bunch of dimples 360 degrees around the op rod guide on the barrel and re-installed after whacking it BACK into place with plastic hammer and flat punch. Tight as heck. No red Loctite needed. New pin 1/8" x 3/4" installed. Life is good.

Hammered the 3 splines on gas cylinder interface on the barrel , then hammered the 3 splines on the flash suppressor. Remember; never watch me put together a match rifle (read: HOLY Hammer used) :dancingbanana:

Greased the entire rifle where it was needed and then greased the trigger group at the sear and hammer interface, hammer face and nose. Trigger was smooth from the high school shop class. :eek: Not bad, I say. I was impressed

Here's the biggest surprise.... The rear sights worked. Holy feces! :cool:

No need to rush out and buy Italian sourced M1 Garand rear sight knobs YET!

This rifle is a keeper! Damn... I never shoulda revealed these 'green light' discoveries. I shoulda offered him $ 300 CASH (Like Oliver Jewelry in Toronto, I'm da KashMan.... I give you money for your old gold, OH YEAH!). You Toronto dudes know how annoying those TV adverts are! :nest:

Now he has to smooth things out by firing 300 x 7.62mm MFS through that barrel while simultaneously yelling, "Fzck you, GI!" just like in "Defense of Firebase Gloria" movie with R Lee Ermey. LOL

So, who else wants to visit me for an M14 tuneup? You are gonna do all the work, not me! LOL ha ha ha ha :evil:

Return? Weeee don't need no stinkin' return (back to the dealer, I mean) !!

Cheers all,

Barney
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Pretty amazing story to follow and Hungry - you're the MAN when it comes to M14s!! I know how it can be discouraging unboxing something to find out it didn't live up to your expectations. But putting boots to the ground and fixing it makes it even more satisfying. Awesome of you to step up and get this rifle in tip top shape. Can't wait to see the pictures!! Makes me reeallllyy want to pick up an early Christmas present for myself and finally join the M14 Club with a new shorty!!!
 
Diablo9845:
Thanks for the kind words. If you are still considering a Norc shorty, don't get ONE!

You can see this coming.....

Get TWO of them at $400 a pop! I love my shorty withe the new SEI muzzle brake adapter. Makes me wanna shoot it at the CQB matches!!! I wanna be like TRShooter308, theduck, and JRWRCR who are experts at the M14 platform.

Cheers,

Barney
 
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