Need a new 9mm. What's your fave and why?
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Moparman1303
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Major issues. The people tasked with doing the firearms training for the CBSA wanted it gone in a big way.
If you get one, also get a solid rubber mallet. I now know 3 different trainers who have had to mallet them apart to clear stoppages.
I have the PX4 Storm 9mm, works just flawless, correction: not 2500 rounds like originaly said, 650 rounds so far in my PX4 . he likes to be "wet" when shooting (well oiled), blazer aluminium works Great with it, will re-buy? Definitively however, I prefer a full metal pistol like my 92f and my reming R1 enhanced
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Moparman1303
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These guns are low budget. Nice feel in hand, just Beretta dropped the ball. This is the story as i heard it from someone who has a lot of knowledge about firearms.
Understand it is just my opinion and a lot of the story is based on hearsay evidence and conjecture.
The pistol is basically a good budget-level pistol. It will go bang when you need it to.
It is reliable but relatively low quality. Beretta has a reputation in the police market for poor quality-control and bad customer service, such as supplying replacement parts. This is why police market-share for Beretta has plunged dramatically in Canada in the past five years. This is also why five police agencies dropped Beretta for another make in recent years. (Four to Glock; one - Vancouver - to Sig.)
The Storm is their new low-end budget pistol, designed exclusively for economy of manufacture. Users have reported everything from excessive wear to sights falling out of dovetails.
CBSA cannot get enough replacement parts or anyone to fix them, so they have now resorted to simply giving their armed officers a brand-new pistol every three years. (When a duty pistol SHOULD last the career of an officer, you can imagine the tremendous waste of taxpayer dollars this is!)
The reason they got the Beretta had nothing to do with them. The RCMP was tasked with recommending them a pistol and training their instructors. It was the RCMP that created a tender document that only S&W and Beretta could meet. (They required the much hated magazine-disconnect, and only S&W and Beretta would provide pistols that met these requirements. Sig would have to modify their pistols, and Glock simply REFUSES to ever make a pistol with a magazine-disconnect.)
Many years ago, when the RCMP tendered for their own pistol, they wanted it to be S&W so badly that they announced S&W as the winner before the tender even closed. Beretta protested and forced them to reopen the tendering process. The RCMP then announced S&W won because they promised to build a factory in Quebec to assemble the pistols. There never was a factory ... the RCMP instructors who selected the pistols had already accepted jobs at S&W.
Because Beretta was screwed out of the contract (and also because the RCMP knew that Beretta was a very low-end pistol and they didn't want them) the decision was made to pay Beretta back by recommending them to the CBSA. After all, the RCMP didn't have to either shoot them or fix them.
Understand it is just my opinion and a lot of the story is based on hearsay evidence and conjecture.
The pistol is basically a good budget-level pistol. It will go bang when you need it to.
It is reliable but relatively low quality. Beretta has a reputation in the police market for poor quality-control and bad customer service, such as supplying replacement parts. This is why police market-share for Beretta has plunged dramatically in Canada in the past five years. This is also why five police agencies dropped Beretta for another make in recent years. (Four to Glock; one - Vancouver - to Sig.)
The Storm is their new low-end budget pistol, designed exclusively for economy of manufacture. Users have reported everything from excessive wear to sights falling out of dovetails.
CBSA cannot get enough replacement parts or anyone to fix them, so they have now resorted to simply giving their armed officers a brand-new pistol every three years. (When a duty pistol SHOULD last the career of an officer, you can imagine the tremendous waste of taxpayer dollars this is!)
The reason they got the Beretta had nothing to do with them. The RCMP was tasked with recommending them a pistol and training their instructors. It was the RCMP that created a tender document that only S&W and Beretta could meet. (They required the much hated magazine-disconnect, and only S&W and Beretta would provide pistols that met these requirements. Sig would have to modify their pistols, and Glock simply REFUSES to ever make a pistol with a magazine-disconnect.)
Many years ago, when the RCMP tendered for their own pistol, they wanted it to be S&W so badly that they announced S&W as the winner before the tender even closed. Beretta protested and forced them to reopen the tendering process. The RCMP then announced S&W won because they promised to build a factory in Quebec to assemble the pistols. There never was a factory ... the RCMP instructors who selected the pistols had already accepted jobs at S&W.
Because Beretta was screwed out of the contract (and also because the RCMP knew that Beretta was a very low-end pistol and they didn't want them) the decision was made to pay Beretta back by recommending them to the CBSA. After all, the RCMP didn't have to either shoot them or fix them.
So that's how it happened. neat. also stupid.
Anyway, this peanut gallery seems fairly well covered from just about every popular maker and model. Essentially its the end-user who should find out what he/she likes. Best way to do all that is to try them out before you buy and make an educated decision. save yourself the head ache and wallet pains that way.
cheers.
What do you mean the CZ75 is the Volvo of pistols? I don't understand.
P226, Glock, CZ, XD[M], etc.
I picked these three for my own collection:
I mean they're reliable sure, but apart from that they are boring, bland and ugly. It's a personal preference. They are the epitome of uninspiring. If you like them-great. I don't. OK would be the highest complement I paid them. Nothing personal, just boxy-like a Volvo.
mildcustom2
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HK P7M8, HK P7 PSP, HK P7M13
Really cool little gas piston 9mm
Really cool little gas piston 9mm
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Moparman1303
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Yup, but not so easy up here in Canada. It's hard to find a place where i can go shoot 10 different pistols.
Actually the reason new pistols were issued every three years is because the CBSA in it's ultimate wisdom has not trained any of it's officers as armourers to do a detailed cleaning/inspection of the pistols at regular service intervals. They are now however, reissuing used pistols after three years presumably after sending them back to Beretta for maintenace/inspection. The reissued pistols now have metal recoil spring guide rods instead of plastic but are otherwise the same.
Seeing as you already owned a Beretta M9, I'd be tempted to just get another (if I were in your shoes). That said, if you want to try a different direction, it's not too expensive to buy a Glock, shoot a box of 9mm through it and then flip it back onto the EE for the same price you paid if it doesn't float your boat.
