ammo situation worsening.... and worsening..... and worsening ....... May 5, updated

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stefK said:
That sure is different from Cabela's Edmonton. Their ENTIRE rimfire stock hardly occupied a 4' high by 2' wide shelf unit, and the centerfire selection was no better...This whole panic and horde is getting old and frustrating..
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Sorry, you have no idea what you're talking about. That little end cap you're talking about is just where they keep the small 50-100rd boxes in special loads. If you go over to the rimfire section, you'll see that they have approximately 8 MILLION rounds sitting around to be bought. There is ABSOLUTELY no shortage of ammunition in Edmonton. There is a glut.
 
skip1600 said:
That's another contributing factor is these panic threads make everyone run out and clean shelves.. Honestly everywhere had 22 for the longest time after this proposed AWB.... Someone writes there was going to be a shortage, everyone goes out and buys as much 22 as they can afford ... And especially at the price of 22 we had no stock within 3 days... All these guys saying its not going to be restocked and guess what, cnd tire has bulk ammo again as does lebaron. I was at target sports to see what they had and thier shelves are filling up again
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I don't think I've ever said ammo's not going to be restocked. I'm saying it's most certainly going to be restocked at a much higher price than what it is now.

Thing is, there is no reason for there to be any shortages in Canada right now. Especially with the stuff from the US - everything we get take about 6 months to make it into the country. The Newtown Massacre was December 14th, and the craziness started late December, early January.

I think this June will be an interesting time to watch and see what happens - not that I'm making predictions - my guess is there will be delays in delivery, shortages, and spikes in price. Late this summer, early this fall, I suspect there will no change in DEMAND for ammo up here in Canada, but I think there will probably be supply shortages retail side. That will be good for me, personally. I knew before Obama was elected this would happen (Romney was just as anti-gun as Obama) and loaded up on ammo/have been loading up since.

I don't think anyone should be worried about ammunition shortages. I promise, I'll have a good supply ammo and for the right price at the right time, I will sell some of it :)
 
I was just in Cabelas in Edmonton on Tuesday. Having been there about a month prior I was blown away by what little stock of .22LR they had left. A month ago there was case upon case, hundreds of thousands of rounds. Cases of win 333 and 555 bulk packs, federal 525 and ammo cans full. All that was left was a small pile of 333 boxes and under 10 cases of the 525. The more expensive stuff was still there however. I was told that was it for the .22 for a while by one of the employees there.
 
rivetc78 said:
Nahhh. No one will buy it from you.

We will just go to our local store. Why pay the profiteers and gougers.
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Because I will undercut the local stores. I suspect there would be plenty of willing buyers.

Think of it this way - if you bought .223 a few years ago when it was $0.10/round, you could probably sell it for $0.25/round today and would have buyers clawing at each other to get it.

It's all about understanding price, supply and demand.

Claiming "gouging" is unfair is socialist dogma.
 
Chargerguy said:
I was just in Cabelas in Edmonton on Tuesday. Having been there about a month prior I was blown away by what little stock of .22LR they had left. A month ago there was case upon case, hundreds of thousands of rounds. Cases of win 333 and 555 bulk packs, federal 525 and ammo cans full. All that was left was a small pile of 333 boxes and under 10 cases of the 525. The more expensive stuff was still there however. I was told that was it for the .22 for a while by one of the employees there.
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Total nonsense. There are millions of rounds over in the rimfire section. That's over by the bulk shotgun shells near the reloading components. The employees you spoke to must not have been 'hunting outfitters'. Often, even the guys behind the gun counter don't know too much about what's out in the hunting sections.

Those cardboard boxes under those shelves contain 10 boxes of 500 rounds, EACH and there are about 200 of them... That's just in the wildcats.

There are millions of rounds sitting on the shelves there as we speak...


Then there's the fact that every Walmart and Canadian tire in Edmonton have full ammo display cases...

What a bunch of hysterical tittering...
 
Was at Shooters Choice in Waterloo yesterday and they had a big shipment just in with product stacked all over the store. Winchester, Remington, ATK, rimfire and centrefire. CCI minimags were the same price as previous stock.
 
harbl_the_cat said:
Got a few copper pennies from the dollar store today to add to the few grand I picked up before the banks stopped circulating them. If you have some suggestions on how else to pick up more for face value, I'm all ears.

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Land. They haven't made any for 5,000,000,000years.
 
ALBERTA BOY said:
Total nonsense. There are millions of rounds over in the rimfire section. That's over by the bulk shotgun shells near the reloading components. The employees you spoke to must not have been 'hunting outfitters'. Often, even the guys behind the gun counter don't know too much about what's out in the hunting sections.

Those cardboard boxes under those shelves contain 10 boxes of 500 rounds, EACH and there are about 200 of them... That's just in the wildcats.

There are millions of rounds sitting on the shelves there as we speak...


Then there's the fact that every Walmart and Canadian tire in Edmonton have full ammo display cases...

What a bunch of hysterical tittering...
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Lol, calm down.
 
But pennies are just copper plated cheaper metals unless you have them prior to a certain date...

Anyway the price of CCI Blazer at my local range went from $25/525rnds to... $23.99/525rnds! No idea why. They had one case of 9mm left when I was there today and said the warehouse was empty. They where limiting 9mm to 2 boxes per person. Every other calibre was fully stocked.
 
Yeah theres a bit less than the pics I posted fro about a month ago. They are still stocking the shelves with fresh stock. It'll be above 0 all next week. There were a lot of people buying when I was there - that includes an entire case I saw go out. It's spring. People are buying for Gophers. As long as there is fresh stock coming in, I wouldn't worry too much. That said, I have a bit of surplus myself so I can afford to not be concerned.

Really though, if Walmart and Canadian Tire can keep a good level and selection with new stock coming in, I wouldn't worry too much.
 
Joe-nwt, the problem with land is the Crown owns all of it and you never will. Try not paying your rent for a few years and you will see how ruthless of a landlord the real owner is. Keep in mind there is nothing keeping them jacking up the rent to confiscatory levels. I'd love to "own" land, just not in a country where a matriarchal demi-God claims ownership of all of it.

As for copper, there is no denying that it is up about 400% (same with lead) from the early 1990s and for now the Canadian market is saturated with ammo from that period. That dynamic will not last, and when it end and the market is saturated with ammo manufactured post 2000, the price can onlygo up, up, up.

As for pennies, this is the real reason the government stopped minting them and the banks stopped circulating them. I suspect that's also why the tories changed the gst to5%, to eliminate overhead associated with settling cash transactions. Before he cessation of pennies, about 40% of circulating pennies were high copper with a commodity melt value of 2-2.5 cents. Much higher and it would be profitable to meltthem down,even though it would be illegal.

The thing about ammo, aswith all tangible commodities is they are limited to supplyrealities that cannot be altered as easily as currencies, and they are difficult as all heck to confiscate by the government because they are portable (unlike land).
 
Also, people need to stop getting so hungup with the abundent supply of ammo up hereright now.
I dont have a crystal ball, but ai know for afactthat ammo doesn't function like most consumer products that operate on a just in time supply distribution net work. Qll the ammo on shel vs today was in Canada before the American panic began.
When it dreis up, things will start to get interesting.
 
The question of the year is, how much was in the pipeline before the US buying spree began...? And, how long does it take to work its way through that pipe to get onto our shelves?

The followup to that is, how much more is being dropped into our pipeline now that the US is a dry hole for ammo that they're working overtime to try and fill?


The answer to the first is, obviously a lot.

The answer to the second is obviously at least 4 months.

The answer to the third is why people are buying what they can.

In Nova Scotia, I have never, ever, seen a load of .22 rimfire such as what you're showing in those photos. I only wish.

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harbl_the_cat said:
Joe-nwt, the problem with land is the Crown owns all of it and you never will. Try not paying your rent for a few years and you will see how ruthless of a landlord the real owner is.
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But there is much more money to be made from having "title" to land. Enough that the sale of a single piece of land bought at a good price can keep you flush with ammo for a long, long time no matter what ammo prices go to.

What is this "rent" you speak of?:p
 
joe-nwt said:
But there is much more money to be made from having "title" to land. Enough that the sale of a single piece of land bought at a good price can keep you flush with ammo for a long, long time no matter what ammo prices go to.

What is this "rent" you speak of?:p
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I think he is referring to land taxes.
 
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