Got my 93R17BVSS, stainless steel heavy barrel with laminate stock at Cabellas for $399.
Another CZ vs Savage...................sorry
- Thread starter DinoS
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Got my 93R17BVSS, stainless steel heavy barrel with laminate stock at Cabellas for $399.
ALBERTA BOY
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- Edmonton, AB
The savages are garbage. I have had 3, now own 2. All defective in their various ways. Scopes holes never drilled correctly, triggers will ALWAYS trip if you operate the bolt from the shoulder with one finger (slap it down) and stocks usually not properly floated.
They're crap. Get the CZ.
They're crap. Get the CZ.
hometownhero
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- Toon Town, Sk
The few savages I have left if I dont oil them as soon as I get home from the range they start to rust in a few hours. When I'm away form home for a few days I have to bring some oil for them or by the time I get back they would be brown. None of my others do this at all.
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- Central Sask
You just proved what your opinion is worth again. Last time I saw you bashing Savages in a thread, you claimed you have owned 6 of them. Now you claim you have owned 3? Lol. If your gonna bullsh! t people...you should keep your stories straight. But you also claimed to have a collection of vanguards that all shoot 1/3" groups.
You just proved what your opinion is worth again. Last time I saw you bashing Savages in a thread, you claimed you have owned 6 of them. Now you claim you have owned 3? Lol. If your gonna bullsh! t people...you should keep your stories straight. But you also claimed to have a collection of vanguards that all shoot 1/3" groups.
I'll never understand why some have the desire to trash a brand because of a bad experience they may have had or simply snobbery. No company is immune to certain QC issues. Even the upper priced category products. From what I have read it is clear that Savage rimfire rifles are well liked rifles with a huge fan base.
ALBERTA BOY
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- Edmonton, AB
You just proved what your opinion is worth again. Last time I saw you bashing Savages in a thread, you claimed you have owned 6 of them. Now you claim you have owned 3? Lol. If your gonna bullsh! t people...you should keep your stories straight. But you also claimed to have a collection of vanguards that all shoot 1/3" groups.
Your reading comprehension if the problem.
I have owned 6 savages. (now 7)
I have owned 3 savage rimfires.
There is absolutely no contradiction there.
And, yes, I do have some very accurate Vanguards and I have a witness who is a member on this board who can vouch for that.
This just means that most people have NO IDEA when their scope bases are out of alignment. This means that most people don't operate the bolt correctly. Just because the average Joe doesn't recognize problems with a rifle doesn't mean that they don't exist.
ALBERTA BOY
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- Edmonton, AB
It's a fact. I can (and have) gone into any old gun store and handle any mark 2. I can replicate the defect with the trigger 100% of the time. Savage themselves recognize the defect in the design "when worked vigorously" (correctly).
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- Central Sask
He thinks his opinion is fact. Some people really arent worth listening to. Of all of my accutriggers...I can make one of mine do what he describes...if I push directly sideways on the trigger with excessive force to the point of stupid. I am just happy that I am smart enough to know how to pull a trigger.
ALBERTA BOY
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- Edmonton, AB
Again, totally awesome reading comprehension. That's not what I'm claiming causes the trigger to lock up. It's the manipulation of the bolt on the shoulder with one finger and one thumb. That's the way it's supposed to be used. The bolt handle is pushed down by the index finger, the force of which causes the trigger to 'trip' and lock in the safety position. It has nothing to do with "pulling the trigger". Even savage themselves acknowledge the design flaw although they claim it's only manifested when the bolt is operated "vigorously". The trigger is a defective piece of garbage.
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- Central Sask
Oh...that claim of yours. You have spewed so much garbage that it gets hard to keep track of. As far as 'tripping' the trigger. I tested your 'problem' by closing the bolt 'vigorously' and by banging the butt on the floor and do not experience any issues. If I bang it on the floor hard enough...it will trip but thats not what I consider normal use. And that is how they designed it. Another thing to point out....I have bought a new winchester that had a serious issue and was sent back. A browning a bolt that has had numerous issues. A remington with poor workmanship. A ruger that did not function properly. But I learn from that and quit buying those particular rifles and I dont run around the interweb telling everyone that every rifle from those companys is garbage and insult peoples intelligence for owning and liking them. Apparently when you have issues with a brand...you keep buying them and then trash talk on the internet. At least you make for good entertainment.
ALBERTA BOY
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- Edmonton, AB
If you slap the bolt down as when operated from the shoulder, it WILL lock up the trigger. 100% of the time. I can and have walked into any old gun store and replicate it on every MK2 on display. It's a design flaw in the trigger and recognized by Savage themselves. The fact that you can't replicate it just means that you don't understand the problem. I'm sure that's your 3rd demonstrated problem with reading comprehension in this thread alone.
Regarding discussing problems with firearms rather than just not buying that brand and keeping quiet about it: well, it's a discussion forum about firearms. This is where we discuss such things, particularly in threads about those particular rifles.
Regarding discussing problems with firearms rather than just not buying that brand and keeping quiet about it: well, it's a discussion forum about firearms. This is where we discuss such things, particularly in threads about those particular rifles.
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- Central Sask
I know exactly what you meant about slapping the bold down. I tried it and no problem. Its funny you keep bringing up reading comprehension, like you are insulting my intelligence. You hate savage so bad and they 'all' have so many problems, yet you claim to have bought 6 of them....or 7 now? Maybe you should question your own intelligence.
ALBERTA BOY
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- Edmonton, AB
^^^ As it happens, I'm selling a Savage Mark 2 SS today. I'm planning to run it down to the gun library at Cabela's just to offload it quickly. Of course, if you're confident that they're fine firearms, I'd be happy to give you first choice! Are you interested? It's a great deal!
I have never experienced this with any of my Savage rifles... and I have many.
Again I have never experienced this with my Savage rifles or any of the others I have used... in this scenario, there is only one common denominator.
As it happens, I'm selling a Savage Mark 2 SS today. I'm planning to run it down to the gun library at Cabela's just to offload it quickly. Of course, if you're confident that they're fine firearms, I'd be happy to give you first choice! Are you interested? It's a great deal!
You are almost making me regret sending you those free Savage scope bases... almost. Good shooting... Hope you enjoy the next brand.
ALBERTA BOY
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- Edmonton, AB
Well, I'm selling the rifle without the bases. I couldn't use them as the holes are not drilled remotely correctly so it's an iron sight rifle only.
The trigger will lock up if handled in that certain way. Maybe it needs to be demonstrated...
The trigger will lock up if handled in that certain way. Maybe it needs to be demonstrated...
Gee...for such a common problem (according to Alberta Boy) I can't find mention of it on any other forum.
And, as sksavenger I've tried to replicate the problem on my 3 Savages but can't.
Guess I'm lucky, according to you I must have 3 of the only 4 or 5 guns existence that don't have the issue.
And, as sksavenger I've tried to replicate the problem on my 3 Savages but can't.
Guess I'm lucky, according to you I must have 3 of the only 4 or 5 guns existence that don't have the issue.
ALBERTA BOY
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- Edmonton, AB
If you slap the bolt down with finger and thumb so that it makes a two stage sound (if you know what I mean), it will not trip the trigger. If you push the bold handle with just one finger forward hard and fast so that it goes forward and down going fast enough that it only makes a single sound (there are two sounds, with enough speed it seems like one), the trigger will lock up.
I'm sure it's not that your rifles are immune to the problem, you maybe just aren't replicating the motion exactly. Since this is the motion you would typically make while shooting properly without taking the rifle from your shoulder and looking for a quick follow up shot, it's a big problem.
If you're shooting gophers here in Alberta and are looking for quick shots on multiple targets, the rifle is utterly unsuitable as the trigger will usually be locked when you try to squeeze it. An old cooey 60 is more reliable and suitable.
I guess the Savage is okay when used at the range... if the scope base holes aren't misaligned as they usually are. Even then, I guess they're okay as long as you're shooting at a fixed range.
But maybe you guys are right. They're probably totally awesome quality pieces. I have one for sale. Really cheap. Any takers?
I'm sure it's not that your rifles are immune to the problem, you maybe just aren't replicating the motion exactly. Since this is the motion you would typically make while shooting properly without taking the rifle from your shoulder and looking for a quick follow up shot, it's a big problem.
If you're shooting gophers here in Alberta and are looking for quick shots on multiple targets, the rifle is utterly unsuitable as the trigger will usually be locked when you try to squeeze it. An old cooey 60 is more reliable and suitable.
I guess the Savage is okay when used at the range... if the scope base holes aren't misaligned as they usually are. Even then, I guess they're okay as long as you're shooting at a fixed range.
But maybe you guys are right. They're probably totally awesome quality pieces. I have one for sale. Really cheap. Any takers?
