ammo situation worsening.... and worsening..... and worsening ....... May 5, updated

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Lot's of ammo here... and lots still available for order, prices are the same, just a marketing scam, panic = sales, example:

"hey John, I hear there is going to be an ammo shortage" John: "Well hopping Jebus, I best buy as much as I can before you get it... so I can out gun you and eventually get your food and ammo by force, because the whole country will collapse because the US military can detect my guns via drones because the government is omnipotent and posse alien technology... which the aliens want back!"

Some retailers are taking advantage.
 
I've been discussing things with some local retailers. Cabela's has told me that their regular shipment of 4 pallets of ammo per week is down to just 1 and I do notice that their overall levels have dropped to about half in the bulk section.

I was optimistic because they were and are restocking a bit but it seems they are not receiving as much as they used to. Since their stock levels are dropping it seems they are not receiving enough to meet demand.

With gopher season coming up, there will be the usual seasonal upswing in rimfire ammo sales and I expect their current stock levels to be depleted at that point.

It's now my estimation that we will be experiencing a rimfire ammo shortage no later than may here in Edmonton.
 
No shortage of .22 ammo at Cabela's. I was there this afternoon around 2pm and they had tons of everything. There must have been 20 cases of Federal 525 packs and 50+ individual 525 boxes on the shelf. And tons of Winchester on the shelf and cases on the floor. 4 pack Federal ammo cans there were about 20 of them on the shelf. The store was pretty busy for a Friday afternoon. Everybody was grabbing the ammo cans.
 
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No shortage of .22 ammo at Cabela's. I was there this afternoon around 2pm and they had tons of everything. There must have been 20 cases of Federal 525 packs and 50+ individual 525 boxes on the shelf. And tons of Winchester on the shelf and cases on the floor. 4 pack Federal ammo cans there were about 20 of them on the shelf. The store was pretty busy for a Friday afternoon. Everybody was grabbing the ammo cans.


That amount of ammo is typically the volume you see in small town hardware stores this time of year. For cabelas that's a small amount of rim fire.
 
And the battle rages on....capitalist running dogs vs pinko commie subversives......

I'm somewhat new to the gun culture, but all this talk of ammo shortages has me in the hoarding mode also. I'll report back from my CT visit this Saturday in a rural Alberta location.
 
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And the battle rages on....capitalist running dogs vs pinko commie subversives......

I'm somewhat new to the gun culture, but all this talk of ammo shortages has me in the hoarding mode also. I'll report back from my CT visit this Saturday in a rural Alberta location.
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Everyone else - Cabela's in Edmonton has stock?

I'll probably send my cousin out to pick up 20 boxes of Win555.
 
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Everyone else - Cabela's in Edmonton has stock?

I'll probably send my cousin out to pick up 20 boxes of Win555.


You've indicated in previous posts that you already have a substantial stash of ammo. You don't see yourself as part of the shortage problem?

Oh, and yes, I live in the NWT. And just so we're on the same page about the copper, I too collect copper, just not pennies. Pennies cost 1¢ each. I get my copper, 100's of pounds at a time, for free. Last load I hauled down to Calgary netted me just under $10K.

Also, I'm sure you'll have some long-winded excuse, but I'm sure you are well aware that defacing currency is against the law and as such you can't sell pennies for scrap legally.
 
Could be but that's just what they had on the floor. Who knows how much they still have in the back of the store.

They don't have any. Please read the thread. They are down to 1/4 of their usual shipments.

They usually have 2-3 times that amount on the floor at any given time and I have the pics to prove it. Their inventory is clearly diminishing.
 
You've indicated in previous posts that you already have a substantial stash of ammo. You don't see yourself as part of the shortage problem?

Oh, and yes, I live in the NWT. And just so we're on the same page about the copper, I too collect copper, just not pennies. Pennies cost 1¢ each. I get my copper, 100's of pounds at a time, for free. Last load I hauled down to Calgary netted me just under $10K.

Also, I'm sure you'll have some long-winded excuse, but I'm sure you are well aware that defacing currency is against the law and as such you can't sell pennies for scrap legally.

Dude just because you didn't stock up its now your problem. Harbl the cat never said he would deface penny's he just said he was collecting them as its a smart investment 1 penny is 2 cents weather melted down or not its still money that is not in circulation so the value is what the market will pay. How do you get copper for free? Do you steal power lines or house plumbing.... Last I checked even if you melt it down that's illegal as well. Harbl is smart I have been taking a couple ideals from his play book. Buy earth metals as there a hard currency, and so what if the guy wants to buy a couple crates of ammo a month. You could do the same no ? I just bought a 95 ford diesel in perfect shape for 7000 and only 190 km to get rid of my 2012 pos dodge cummins money pit. Guess where the 1000 dollars I save each month is going.... That's right bulk ammo and gold silver and metals. I hope you stop hating and jump on the band wagon so you to can be as prepared for ammo shortages and currency devaluation. I don't care what others do so long as I cover my own bum. If you don't like the rising price of ammo buy it now while its cheep turn that copper 10 k into 20 k in three to five years with harbl the cats plan.
 
Dude just because you didn't stock up its now your problem. Harbl the cat never said he would deface penny's he just said he was collecting them as its a smart investment 1 penny is 2 cents weather melted down or not its still money that is not in circulation so the value is what the market will pay. How do you get copper for free? Do you steal power lines or house plumbing.... Last I checked even if you melt it down that's illegal as well. Harbl is smart I have been taking a couple ideals from his play book. Buy earth metals as there a hard currency, and so what if the guy wants to buy a couple crates of ammo a month. You could do the same no ? I just bought a 95 ford diesel in perfect shape for 7000 and only 190 km to get rid of my 2012 pos dodge cummins money pit. Guess where the 1000 dollars I save each month is going.... That's right bulk ammo and gold silver and metals. I hope you stop hating and jump on the band wagon so you to can be as prepared for ammo shortages and currency devaluation. I don't care what others do so long as I cover my own bum. If you don't like the rising price of ammo buy it now while its cheep turn that copper 10 k into 20 k in three to five years with harbl the cats plan.

"Dude",:rolleyes: pennies are most certainly legal tender and still in circulation, they are now just no longer being produced. And as pennies, they are still worth 1¢. As to your accusation that I steal copper, if we were face-to-face you would now be sporting a fat lip.:mad: I'm an electrical contractor, scrap copper is available to me daily.

And who said anything about not stocking up? I have enough ammo and components to last me well beyond the current shortage. I'll be shooting $16.99 bulk packs for many, many years. I bought my supplies prior to the last shortage/frenzy and have been laughing ever since. And haven't contributed to any shortage. Can you say the same? BTW, buying now is not buying while it is cheap, that happened a long time ago.;)
 
I wasn't accusing I just thought it was strange you got 10 k of copper for nothing. I wish I had that type of opportunity to scavenge, as the only way i could acquire that much 'free' copper. Well would be in fact to steal it, however I'm not a thief so I won't. Yes ammo was even Cheeper I'm only 26 so I don't know what the good old days were like. I wish I could have scored the cheapo 3006 and 303, brass 308 ammo when it was available like the mil surp stuff. I know that if those where good days back then we must be in for a Terrible future. So for me now I think prices are relevant and will only go up as time goes by. No I can't say the same I'm part of the problem for ammo being bought up before it hits the shelves. I admit it I don't mind as I feel the prices of ammo will surely only increase, while availability decreases. Plus im only 26 and my family wasn't into shooting before i came along, so you probably have a long head start. as for pennies no store accepts them as on now. All the prices are rounded up. Yes I agree you shouldn't sell them as scrap or deface them. What I was trying to say was as a collector piece, like people who collect coins the value will surely increase. Even a 1 cent increase would double your money. Again I apologize if you took offence to my copper theft remark it was more to invoke an explanation as I'm a little bit jealous of your free copper supply, and how it was acquired. no offence meant by it sir. You replied awful fast so I hope I did not raise your blood pressure to high.
 
I wasn't accusing I just thought it was strange you got 10 k of copper for nothing. I wish I had that type of opportunity to scavenge, as the only way i could acquire that much 'free' copper. Well would be in fact to steal it, however I'm not a thief so I won't. Yes ammo was even Cheeper I'm only 26 so I don't know what the good old days were like. I wish I could have scored the cheapo 3006 and 303, brass 308 ammo when it was available like the mil surp stuff. I know that if those where good days back then we must be in for a Terrible future. So for me now I think prices are relevant and will only go up as time goes by. No I can't say the same I'm part of the problem for ammo being bought up before it hits the shelves. I admit it I don't mind as I feel the prices of ammo will surely only increase, while availability decreases. Plus im only 26 and my family wasn't into shooting before i came along, so you probably have a long head start. as for pennies no store accepts them as on now. All the prices are rounded up. Yes I agree you shouldn't sell them as scrap or deface them. What I was trying to say was as a collector piece, like people who collect coins the value will surely increase. Even a 1 cent increase would double your money. Again I apologize if you took offence to my copper theft remark it was more to invoke an explanation as I'm a little bit jealous of your free copper supply, and how it was acquired. no offence meant by it sir. You replied awful fast so I hope I did not raise your blood pressure to high.

Apology accepted. :D

All I'm saying is these shortages are cyclic. This is the 3rd or 4th time in the last 15yrs or so. The prices always setle back down once the frenzy has died off and rightfully so. Not saying the new settled out prices won't show an increase, they most certainly will. But the manufactures will eventually face a saturated market and if they want to maintain sales, ammo will still have to be priced to sell. That's the time to lay in a good supply.
 
You've indicated in previous posts that you already have a substantial stash of ammo. You don't see yourself as part of the shortage problem?

Oh, and yes, I live in the NWT. And just so we're on the same page about the copper, I too collect copper, just not pennies. Pennies cost 1¢ each. I get my copper, 100's of pounds at a time, for free. Last load I hauled down to Calgary netted me just under $10K.

Also, I'm sure you'll have some long-winded excuse, but I'm sure you are well aware that defacing currency is against the law and as such you can't sell pennies for scrap legally.

And this is exactly it.

No one is out shooting anymore than they have been before using up the supply, and the factories producing it have not been mothballed, burnt down, or bombed, and are putting out just as much product into the supply chain as before (likely more as they have less military orders with the wind down of Iraq and Afghanistan and they can turn that production into commercial orders).

However people (even those who have lots already) think there is a shortage, and perceive a shortage (or price increase) in the future, and are thus hoarding more than normal, and some in anticipation of making money off buying it now and selling it for more in the future. Even people who normally buy as they need it from those store shelves have been told it might not be there when they want it (or vastly more expensive) and are buying it in anticipation of needing it latter and not having it on the store shelf.

This creates a self fulfilling prophecy and demand curve to justify a price increase, which in turn makes people run out to buy more before the price increase or while it is still there, and so on and so on.

We as consumers have given a fear premium to the price and the subsequent hoarding is creating the justification for it all, and creating a perception of some sort of shortage.

Eventually even the hoarders will have more than they can use, the casual shooters will have supply so they will not need to stop in the store to buy on the way to the range, and the factories will be at full production meeting this current demand and hit a point where that demand drops and everyone is full up on supply. Prices will then drop to keep the manufactures in business. We seen it after 2008, and will see it a few years after this "crisis".

There is more ammunition out there than ever before, and it is making its way to consumers hands faster than ever before, and just not sitting on store shelves.

We as consumers are our own worst enemy, and Obama has pulled the best "stimulus" package he could ever invent for the firearms industry.
 
You've indicated in previous posts that you already have a substantial stash of ammo. You don't see yourself as part of the shortage problem?

Oh, and yes, I live in the NWT. And just so we're on the same page about the copper, I too collect copper, just not pennies. Pennies cost 1¢ each. I get my copper, 100's of pounds at a time, for free. Last load I hauled down to Calgary netted me just under $10K.

Also, I'm sure you'll have some long-winded excuse, but I'm sure you are well aware that defacing currency is against the law and as such you can't sell pennies for scrap legally.

No, I don't consider myself part of the problem. I would say I'm part of the solution - because I have stored supply. I don't shoot most of the ammo I buy - I save it, knowing others will shoot there's and will some day need more. In the event that available supply on the market is such that they cannot get it, I plan to provide it to them. Following your logic, ANYONE who shoots ammo is the biggest part of the problem.

Don't get me wrong. I shoot - a lot - but I also have personal savings. Rather than have it earn no interest in the bank or gamble it away in the stock market - I'd rather save it in a tangible form that I know others will some day need.

I don't understand why you're so on my case about the pennies - it's not like I spend my days scanning the sidewalk for them. You can't get them at the bank anymore, so if I see one in my change, on the ground, or see them in a penny jar I deliberately pick it up or swap my worthless steel coinage for them if the owner is willing to trade.

Maybe you didn't know this, but there is a fairly large market for Canadian silver coins from before 1968's for their metal value (I just bought $11 face value of silver coins with about 11 oz of silver in it). I horde pennies and nickels because I fully expect some day people will be buying them for their copper and metal value as well - much in the same way I know someday people will need ammunition, I am expecting some day people will want to buy copper and nickel coins.

Anyways - back to ammo.

TSE didn't have any el-cheapo brand stuff - no Federal Champions no Win 555's. Some guy at the Calgary Gun show had 1 brick of Federal Champion, 3 bricks of Blazers for $25 each. His wife/gf told me he's just a guy who bought a lot of guns and ammo over the years and just decided to sell some of it. That's a pretty good plan - personally, that's what I plan to do with my personal stores of ammo.
 
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