Swiss Arms Over The Beach Shooting UPDATE, Final Results and Conclusions Post #108

enefgee said:
Ya know - you could have waited 'til July or August and that would have been a lot more fun.

PS is it me or does anyone else think it's somewhat ironic that you live on an island, but used a river as your 'beach'? - Just Sayin'
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Except that shooting on any "ocean beach" that I know of, would be illegal, as there all inside no shooting areas! I was shooting inside lands designated for hunting. I do not know of a Ocean Beach that is withing hunting boundaries.

Kev4207 said:
Great video, awesome to watch. Good addition to youtube I think. I've yet to seen a "over the beach" with a swiss arms.
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EXACTLY, that is why it had to be done!!!

BenL said:
I'll take 10 rnds over 5 any day of the week. Never had any problems with LARs mags :)
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LAR-15 magazine users often encounter issues when running drills under stress. I've seen it happen more than a few times. Most guys who know their equipment do not run their LAR mags on tactically oriented courses, and those who do, find themselves quickly switching to what available PMags they have with them, sometimes even having to borrow magazines from others to avoid having repeated issues with the LAR-15 magazines. This of course does not even begin to mention the inherent flaws in STANAG magazines. The proprietary magazines the Swiss rifles use are considerably more robust and reliable.

This is why I don't have a mag well adapter... ;)

driller212 said:
River water is probably a tad nicer to the rifle than salt water as far as corrosion goes.

Very cool vid Steve
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I actually would have loved to do it in the Ocean, showing the rifle can put up with the Salt would add yet another aspect to the test. But, as stated above, no legal to shoot Ocean beach exists that I know of. For this I just went on a Canoe trip up a river and did a bit of shooting.
 
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So the Swiss is like a $3000+ rifle right?
My hats off to you...not sure I'd even put my cheapy 10/22 through that...lol
 
Wow, now thats trusting your gear, props!!

I didn't know STANAG magazines had any inherent flaws that haven't been updated?? I've seen 2 or 3 failures of STANAG mags over the years, feed lips getting smashed up from hard use, I've seen a bunch of commercial knockoffs fail, but those are not STANAG.
 
ActiveShooter said:
Wow, now thats trusting your gear, props!!

I didn't know STANAG magazines had any inherent flaws that haven't been updated?? I've seen 2 or 3 failures of STANAG mags over the years, feed lips getting smashed up from hard use, I've seen a bunch of commercial knockoffs fail, but those are not STANAG.
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I'm thinking maybe they mean the LAR-15 magazines specifically.

Wicked video! You'll have to toss a Go-Pro on your head next time though ;)
 
Wow you are very dedicated to testing your rifle.... Mid april inside river testing :)

There is not a lot o guy here that test (for real) theirs firearms.
 
I'm looking to purchase a classic green and your test has helped solidify my decision that I've made the right choice.
I for one though will just trust the factory test results and would only subject mine to that type of treatment if I really had to. I know they have been tested to function through that and much worse but I'm not sure if it is very good for it to go through that. I really doubt you would get any warranty service after doing that (if they could somehow tell)
http://www.biggerhammer.net/sigamt/550/550techinspection/

Good work though, takes some big balls to do that with a $3500 rifle.
 
cr5 said:
Very true but not all rifles are built to handle this test regardless of price. Luckily the Swiss is one of the ones designed to handle it.
Don't be trying this with a standard AR
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Regardless if the rifle can in theory pass the over the beach test, doesn't mean it won't blow up in your face...
 
Pooker said:
Wicked video! You'll have to toss a Go-Pro on your head next time though

I'm thinking maybe they mean the LAR-15 magazines specifically.
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NEGATIVE, Stanag mags just suck in general. Lar-15's have the same inherent issues.

And about the go pro, I know, DAMNIT, I forgot the strap to put it on my head. The video was filmed with a go pro, I just leaned it up against the canoe. I wish I could have gotten it closer. This is not a test I will be repeating so the video will have to be good enough as is. ;)
 
NEGATIVE, Stanag mags just suck in general.
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What sucks about them?? Other than not being swiss arms?? I've been running 3 different stlyes of mags, plus the 10 rounders and haven't had any failures. I've run 1000s of rounds through C7s with zero problems. So I don't understand where this STANAG mags suck opinion comes from?? Bias maybe??
 
ActiveShooter said:
Regardless if the rifle can in theory pass the over the beach test, doesn't mean it won't blow up in your face...
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Very true but if you follow the link I posted you will see that the Swiss rifles are tested extensively to ensure that not only will they function after these and more severe tests they also maintain their accuracy.
I wouldn't do it to mine but that's a personal choice and everyone else is free to take the risk if they choose to.

Just closed the deal on mine. Newer classic green with 200 rounds down the tube :)
 
I would be worried about bulging my barrel a bit .. But my guess it would not likely happen .. theres some vids on YT of a guy shooting a AK completely under water in a pool , his rifle never blew up and he claimed it did no damage
 
ActiveShooter said:
What sucks about them?? Other than not being swiss arms?? I've been running 3 different stlyes of mags, plus the 10 rounders and haven't had any failures. I've run 1000s of rounds through C7s with zero problems. So I don't understand where this STANAG mags suck opinion comes from?? Bias maybe??
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Taken direct from Wikipedia:

Issues and improvements (Concerning STANAG Magazines)

The STANAG-compatible box magazine, while relatively compact compared to other types of 5.56x45mm NATO box magazines, has often been criticized for a perceived lack of durability and a tendency to malfunction unless treated with a level of care that often cannot be afforded under combat conditions. Because STANAG 4179 is only a dimensional standard, production quality from manufacturer to manufacturer is not uniform. Magazines have been manufactured with lightweight aluminum or plastic bodies and other inexpensive materials in order to keep costs down, or to meet requirements that treat the magazine more as a disposable piece of equipment than one that is supposed to stand up to repeated combat use.

These problems have been addressed by several manufacturers, most notably Heckler & Koch, who designed a new 30-round STANAG-compatible box magazine during their contract to rebuild and improve the SA80 rifle for the United Kingdom. As a result, several manufacturers now offer improved STANAG-compatible magazines as well as high-grade stainless steel bodies, rust- and set-resistant chrome-silicon springs, and anti-tilt followers as upgrade components for existing STANAG magazines.

In March 2009, Brownells began delivery of its improved STANAG magazine to the U.S. military.To increase reliability, the improved magazine incorporates a heavier, more corrosion resistant spring and a new tan-colored follower that does not tilt inside the casing.

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Really it is quite common knowledge, if there reliability is questioned, there has to be a reason for it.....Think of it this way: Why do you think people keep coming out with new and improved USGI mags with anti-tilt followers and funky colored followers, and why did MAGPUL desiegn the PMAG in the first place???? Because of the inherent flaws found in STANAG mags. I don't just make this stuff up as I go along ye know!

But we're getting side tracked here, the STANAG mag reliability thing is another can of worms altogether.
 
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