Bolt face damage - primer pocket leak?

Deerfarmer,
Yes, just the case, no bullet. It's the standard fitting procedure for any caliber / rifle.

Hard primer cup with too much headspace and low pressure not permiiting enough primer / case expansion can produce that.
Crushed or bent primer cup wall can also produce this result and so does a defective primer cup or oversized primer pocket.... You have many options. When something goes wrong with hanloading, better check more possibilities than not enough.

Baribal, my 30-30 always has protruding primers due to the "normal" low pressure of this cartridge at 38,000 cup or 42,000 psi and there is no gas leakage around the primer.



At low chamber pressures the primer is the first thing to move and contact the bolt face, and this is called headspacing on the primer. If the primer cup is too hard or the primer pocket is oversized it will not seal the primer pocket and you can have gas leakage around the primer. The OPs primer cup ruptured at the edge of the primer cup radius, this is primer failure and has nothing to do with headspace. A Enfield rifle at maximum military headspace can have as much as .017 head clearance or excess headspace and the primers do not leak.



I found this AR15 5.56 case below at the range when picking up my own .223/5.56 cases, when I first saw it I thought someone modified their cases to use large rifle primers. When I removed the primer from this case it looked like a mushroom, in simple terms this primer was soft enough to "flow" to its mushroom shape and not rupture at the edges. This over zealous reloader not only removed the military primer crimp, but he removed over 25% of the primer pocket and the primer did not rupture when fired.



On a over gassed AR15 rifle there is still pressure in the barrel when the bolt is moving to the rear. This can cause the primer to pop out of the primer pocket like a champagne cork and fall into the trigger group. When this happens there is no damage to the bolt face from high pressure gases because the primer was soft and sealed the primer pocket. The primer is the piston and the primer pocket is the cylinder and as long as the piston seals the cylinder, you will not have blowby leakage. This is just one reason primers are crimped on military cartridges and hold them in place.
 
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After looking back at the pics, it really looks like either a material or a manufacturing defect. The only way to know for sure is to remove the primer and inspect it carefuly.
 
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It is a primer problem, there has been quite a few posts about this problem, always win primers. NOT headspace problem.

x10! I've been reading about this all over various precision rifle forums. Earlier this year, I was at the range and another fella had this exact same thing happen. Ran into him again and asked what he had determined to be the problem... Bad primers...

SL
 
Here are a couple of pics of the primer removed from the case.

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Ive had the exact same problem. Im now sourcing my 3rd bolt head. I never had this happen until i switched to winchester primers. I am running a full 4 grains less of rl22 with 210bergers compared to my cci primer, rl22 and 208 amax load (which wasnt even near its max load).

The day i started working this win primer/rl22/210berger i had actually started popping primers at 72.5grains but between me knowing i was able to hit 79grains with very mild pressure sings with the cci/rl22:208amax, i never even looked at the casing until 75-76gr. So i stopped shooting right there. My bolt head was ruined.

Most interestingly of all was the insensitivty to charge weight. From 67.5-75/76 gr charges (in .5gr increments) there was no decernable difference in grouping other than elevation rise seemed to level off at 69.5gr. primers actualy started popping at 72.5 so i chose 71gr as my load.

I ordered a new bolt head hoping i was set.
Well this passed sunday i popped a few again and ruined another bolt head.

I had deprimed all these failed primers, all of them just like yours.

Ill be going back to cci primers with the next bolt head, whenever i find one and starting all over again.

I wonder if winchester i picking up the tab for wasted powder, bullets and prep time, not to mention the damaged bolts?
 
Ive had the exact same problem. Im now sourcing my 3rd bolt head. I never had this happen until i switched to winchester primers. I am running a full 4 grains less of rl22 with 210bergers compared to my cci primer, rl22 and 208 amax load (which wasnt even near its max load).

The day i started working this win primer/rl22/210berger i had actually started popping primers at 72.5grains but between me knowing i was able to hit 79grains with very mild pressure sings with the cci/rl22:208amax, i never even looked at the casing until 75-76gr. So i stopped shooting right there. My bolt head was ruined.

Most interestingly of all was the insensitivty to charge weight. From 67.5-75/76 gr charges (in .5gr increments) there was no decernable difference in grouping other than elevation rise seemed to level off at 69.5gr. primers actualy started popping at 72.5 so i chose 71gr as my load.

I ordered a new bolt head hoping i was set.
Well this passed sunday i popped a few again and ruined another bolt head.

I had deprimed all these failed primers, all of them just like yours.

Ill be going back to cci primers with the next bolt head, whenever i find one and starting all over again.

I wonder if winchester i picking up the tab for wasted powder, bullets and prep time, not to mention the damaged bolts?

Interesting story - I'm wondering what Winchester would have to say about the damaged bolt heads? I'm guessing there are probably certain risks and disclaimers when it comes to loading your own - as in do so at your own risk. I'm going to have to ask when I get in contact with them.

On another note, I wanted to pick up some CCI primers today but none in stock! Went for Remington instead,
 
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Your problem has nothing to do with seating primers. Adjust your resizing die to your rifle chamber. If the brass shoulder is pushed to far it allawes chambered round to go forward when is strike by firing pin and allows gasses to go by primer pocket. I also learned the hard way.
Vic

This is the best answer so far.^ Check that you aren't bumping the shoulder too far back when you resize brass. You can neck size brass that was previously fired in your rifle, or just barely touch the shoulder when you resize with a FL resizing die.
 
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Well it happened to me today, shooting my Cooper 280 rem and half way threw the box I had this happen, I have been using CCI primers, but could not find them so went with Winchester. The third photo shows some of the other brass heads & primers from the batch.
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I was building a new load for the rifle using barnes bullets and I thought maybe I never seated the bullet enough and created a pressure problem, but none of the other brass showed any problems, and I remembered I read this post a couple days ago, So is it my reloading? Been reloading for30yrs and never had this happen. or is it Winchester problem? I'd like to know!
 
Can't comment on what it looks like technically but I will say it's a crying shame aesthetically and just seems wrong. I don't know about you, but I had a bad gut wrenching feeling when I seen the damage done to my bolt face - and mine was just a tikka!
 
Can't comment on what it looks like technically but I will say it's a crying shame aesthetically and just seems wrong. I don't know about you, but I had a bad gut wrenching feeling when I seen the damage done to my bolt face - and mine was just a tikka!
Well I also had a Tikka 695 in 6.5X55 which I had a brain fart and sold it? Bad idea, they are one great rifle! But ya to a Copper it sucks, I hope it's ok to shoot? Thanks!
 
This has been going on for a while with winchester primers, just contact winchester. Send them the lot# of the primers, with a description of what has happened, along with supporting photos. I suspect they will replace the primers, and maybe a certificate for more winchester products and that will be that. I highly doubt they will go good for damaged rifles or parts.
 
So I sent the primers back to Winchester Ammo department, And they phoned today , and said that the primers has stress cracks in them and so they are sending a check to replace them all. ( 3000 ) .So Thants about it. Just as Cleftwynd said would happen. FYI.
 
This just happened to one of my rifles last week. WLRM primers. I started a thread on the gunsmithing forum inquiring about the possiblity of needing to get the bolt face repaired. Thread was "Should a gunsmith take a look at this"
 
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