VZ58 Reclassification?
- Thread starter mhowarth
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Here is what I suspect. In no way am I claiming that this is fact.
The first batch of 58s that came in were made using original selective fire receivers. The receivers had never been assembled into rifles, so the modifications to semi only were considered to be part of the production sequence. The RCMP confirmed from the manufacturer that this was the origin of the receivers, and approved the rifles as semi auto. The balance of the parts were new or used, as available.
IF, and this is a big IF, any of the rifles imported were made by altering finished rifles to semi only, the resulting rifles would be Converted Auto. Grandfathered CAs are 12-3 prohibited, if registered before the cut off date. Any made after the date are just plain prohibited.
IF this scenario is correct, some of the rifles in circulation are acceptable semi autos, while others might be CAs.
It will take some time to get this sorted out.
The first batch of 58s that came in were made using original selective fire receivers. The receivers had never been assembled into rifles, so the modifications to semi only were considered to be part of the production sequence. The RCMP confirmed from the manufacturer that this was the origin of the receivers, and approved the rifles as semi auto. The balance of the parts were new or used, as available.
IF, and this is a big IF, any of the rifles imported were made by altering finished rifles to semi only, the resulting rifles would be Converted Auto. Grandfathered CAs are 12-3 prohibited, if registered before the cut off date. Any made after the date are just plain prohibited.
IF this scenario is correct, some of the rifles in circulation are acceptable semi autos, while others might be CAs.
It will take some time to get this sorted out.
Major Sights
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"I'm sorry officer? What cz-858? Oh, that one. I sold that almost a year ago."
You are probably correct...
...If I'm not mistaken, around 2009/2010(time of the now infamous report) - Didn't Marstar have some VZ58(L?)s classed as prohibited because they were made from surplus parts (i.e. converted FAs? - or some such thing)...
...And at that time it was said the cz858s/czh2003 models were NOT affected because they were built as "newly manufactured" using "semi-only" parts?
It's been confirmed on this site by at least 2 Supporting Business members, perhaps 3, but for sure two.
Then there's this from 2010 that clearly states "Exsisting Criminal Code Regulations premits these firearms to be non-restricted or restricted; a case could be made that they should be classified as prohibited";
http://static.globalnews.ca/content/interactives/documents/general_news_bucket/A-2012-00068.PDF
Don't let the publication date or that it hasn't happened yet lull you into relaxation. If they did a blanket ban of all semi-auto, or all center fire rifles there'd be political backlash. Where as one at a time is less noticable and easier to divide the firearms community so long as this one's "not your gun".
Write your MP, PM, and PSM and tell them reclassification is not tolerable.
I believe that the czh2003 are the ones that will be looked over, we just gotta wait and see what happens.
Unless it comes from wolverine or a direct importer it's just rumor. If someone from wolverine wants to provide any clarity that would be great, but so far as I understand it, they have a bunch of the rifles sitting at the border. That's the extent of what I know. Why they have em could be trying to find an excuse to reclassify, maybe they're just being extra thorough in attempt to draw it out. I don't think the CSA produced rifles have gotten the same amount of attention. Wait and see for the time being. No need to panic yet.
Don't rely on information from an importer in order to get active about your rights.
A wait and see attitude may not be the best approach, if you want to stop a review on the CZ and VZ then fight for the Swiss and KRISS now.
I'm not advocating a sit on your hands approach, but just cause the current shipment is held up means the sky is falling. No official word from the RCMP, and I'd hope if the importer for cz's knew anything they would speak up like the other importers involved in the Swiss arms and kriss have. It's not like this forum doesn't have a history of flying off one rumor that sparks a whole metric crap ton of gossip which then gets mistaken for fact. Wolverine imports the 858's, if your seeing any of the multiple panic threads on the subject please give us a little bit of truth.
Chargerguy
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Wow, I do not like where things are going. The one rifle at a time comment is right. It doesn't matter whether it's a rifle you own, don't own, or never want to own, we need to speak up.
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Yeah, just have fun with your house getting tossed afterwards and your other guns being "improperly stored" somehow followed by the rest getting confiscated and you being charged.
Join our gun orgs and Donate and start #####ing and complaining to the Government to get off their ass and fix things. They told us they would stand up for law abiding gun owners, they have a Majority Government. Now is the time to put up or shut up.
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I would hope so as well. It should be noted that it wasn't an importer that dropped the Swiss Arms and Kriss bombs. It was retailers, one of which gave the option to refund down payments.
I believe that the entire community would love to hear from Wolverine. You have to understand that an importer, especially one that has merit toward the ruling on a classification, can't comment until a ruling is found. Their words most of all can be used for or against. Of course this isn't me attempting to speak for Wolverine and perhaps they can say something, I'm just attempting to say why it's understandable if they're silent on the issue.
If you like your VZ, CZ, SKS, Valmet, Canadian Sporting Rifle then you have to stand with the black rifle crowd now. The best way to assure your rifle, is to make it known that you don't support reclassification of any rifle. Print one of these letters, sign, and post them to your MP, PM, and PSM. Postage is free
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Send an email to your PM and your elected MP immediately, fight for the swiss arms and the kriss before they get to the CZ. We're all in the same boat here, otherwise we'll all wind up with our safes full of prohibited semi auto rifles that can never see the light of day again.
there are examples of letters on the swiss arms reclassification thread. Copy paste, takes 5 minutes to fight for your rights.
Email them every week until you get a response.
there are examples of letters on the swiss arms reclassification thread. Copy paste, takes 5 minutes to fight for your rights.
Email them every week until you get a response.
