Can you validate yours? Just looking at what's shot at all major competitions, they are completely dominated by cz/glock/S&w, with the occasional freak sig shooter, that's Gota speak for something. And yes the trigger on a cz is better than the hk, both the p30l and usp,have tried both myself, and nearly everyone that tries the shadow at the range goes holy crap when they feel the SA pull. I've yet to find a polymer trigger that feels as crisp as a good metal one anyone that tries both one after the other would concur it just feels more direct.
CZ 75 SP-01 Shadow Line vs HK P30L vs ?
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Guess you haven't tried many cz's then. And 2 pulls, first is da, everything consecutive is SA, not much to "learn". Try a 2lb SA pull and tell me it doesn't make you want to jizz your pants, it's that good. 5lb da is hardly an inconvenience on the first shot, how heavy is your pull?
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Your move.
Perhaps you can educate us on the maintenance sched on the cz. How often does the recoil spring need to be changed, what about the extractor spring?
And what was that I was reading about cz mags not liking to be dropped in the dirt? I thought you said this was ready to do business?
What's the expect lifespan of the cz?
These aren't questions to spite you I legitimately want to know
And you haven't told us how many rounds have gone out of the business end of your personal cz.
I concur cz are stellar gamer guns if that's what you want. And if hk is too much money you can get a glock instead. In fact I have no problems recommending the glock, the m&p needs some stuff sorted out, and that moronic mag disco needs to be removed.
To op, if you get one, don't get something with a manual safety, 100% unnecessary, same goes for the p30
I have dropped mine when it was one in the chamber with a full mag and I assure you the round remained very much unfired.
One thing you are forgetting about metal guns. They are heavy. Extended range time with them is a btich.
Also one other question very small time researching I am seeing more issues being reported with the cz out of the box than the hk, some where they had to send it back to cz within the first 500 rounds, now I'm not saying there are no lemon hk units, they exist. But really? Seems like the safer bet to me that the hk will run just fine. The cz just might too, but there is a bigger chance from what im seeing that it might be a lemon.
Mine is at 4.1lbs. And 2lbs is way too light for my liking, kinda like those superlight triggers on ars. I like light triggers only on my heavier long distance bolt guns.
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The OP should stick with the most common advice which is to try both and buy the one that suits you the best. Clearly Ztune loves his HK and other people love their Shadows but no matter how many pages of stats get posted about maintenance and competitions it doesn't make either of these guns right for you.
Go out and try as many types as you can get your hands on. You might end up with something completely different. I went to DVC thinking I wanted a Glock and ended up preferring metal in particular a 1911. My buddy had the exact opposite experience and ended up preferring polymer. The quickest way to make a regrettable decision is to buy a gun you've never touched based on the biased opinions of people like us that own the types of guns in question.
Go out and try as many types as you can get your hands on. You might end up with something completely different. I went to DVC thinking I wanted a Glock and ended up preferring metal in particular a 1911. My buddy had the exact opposite experience and ended up preferring polymer. The quickest way to make a regrettable decision is to buy a gun you've never touched based on the biased opinions of people like us that own the types of guns in question.
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I want what ever supahdave is smokin' over on the island. Who cares what dominates. In a world dominated by Honda's, I ride Indian's. Just because more people drive VW does not mean that they make better cars than Jaguar. Too much propaganda stated here. The HK has been tested more than any other pistol on Earth. It is hard to beat the German's. The original post was which pistol? Both are good. I can shoot boot well. There may be more parts for the CZ. I own lots of guns and like them all. Forget the HK and the CZ and buy a good 1911 and you will love it. Now which 1911 should you to buy?
Now just how much meth must I ingest before your train of logic makes sense to me? So instead of getting a modern double stack, or a semi modern double stack he should get a dinosaur.Let us go to your car analogy with my twist. So instead of getting a ferrari 458 or a c5 corvette he should instead get an overrated 67 camaro? The 458(hk) is the obvious choice if you have the money for it, if not I guess the c5(cz) will do even though my recommendation would be a gtr(glock), but instead he should spend just as much money as the 458 just to acquire an antiquated piece of hardware which he then has to spend another immense chunk to get it to run perfectly? If you are a collector feeling nostalgic sure fill your boots, but for any other reason it's far from the ideal or correct choice.
Ok, I guess it's time to weigh in here on my experience last night.
No one had a P30 to try. However there were probably Shadows on 50% of the people there, and at the end of the night, I got to try out a SP-01 Canadian Edition. It was amazing. First 10 shots I ever took, all hits on a 2" x 5" card at 7 yards. I'm sure this gun is more than good enough to start with.
Add that to the fact the CZ's are so common here, I can get all the accessories I need in stock locally and the type of shooting I plan to do, Skills & Drills, I want to check out the steel comp and some IPSC, makes me feel comfortable saying the Shadow is a good way to start.
I'm not saying it's better than the P30, I'm just saying it's a great place to start, and yeah, after shooting last night, I had a grin on my face all night.
I called 2 local shops and CRAFM, no Shadow line or anything similar in stock. Now the search begins.
No one had a P30 to try. However there were probably Shadows on 50% of the people there, and at the end of the night, I got to try out a SP-01 Canadian Edition. It was amazing. First 10 shots I ever took, all hits on a 2" x 5" card at 7 yards. I'm sure this gun is more than good enough to start with.
Add that to the fact the CZ's are so common here, I can get all the accessories I need in stock locally and the type of shooting I plan to do, Skills & Drills, I want to check out the steel comp and some IPSC, makes me feel comfortable saying the Shadow is a good way to start.
I'm not saying it's better than the P30, I'm just saying it's a great place to start, and yeah, after shooting last night, I had a grin on my face all night.
I called 2 local shops and CRAFM, no Shadow line or anything similar in stock. Now the search begins.
Wolverine has a couple in stock.
What about wantsall?
CZ is for playing gun games and does so very well. HK is for fighting, can play gun games well but has the reliability and durability for combat.
Don't get caught up in what is being shot at matches. A few years back I won 3 provincial standard class titles with a stock HK USP 45 Tactical, shooting against $3000 to $4000 STI's SV's.
If you are good you will win with any gun.
The CZ is not used by any Tier 1 SF unit in the world, for good reason. HK is...
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Don't get caught up in what is being shot at matches. A few years back I won 3 provincial standard class titles with a stock HK USP 45 Tactical, shooting against $3000 to $4000 STI's SV's.
If you are good you will win with any gun.
The CZ is not used by any Tier 1 SF unit in the world, for good reason. HK is...
Rich
Man has made his decision, his money his call. I don't necessarily agree with his choice but eh I already have exactly what I want so I'm not particularly fussed.
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OK since the OP has settled his decision, I am already considering purchasing my next pistol, I currently have m&p 9 with a DCAEK trigger and a Shadowline with just a 15lb reduced power mainspring.
Should I get a P30L or a nice 1911 for the same price?
Should I get a P30L or a nice 1911 for the same price?
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How about a modernized version maybe a 2011? STI guns ?
Again I reiterate, I really do love the HK guns, and yes I think my dilemma between the 2 is .. 1911 is a classic, and it's a gun that should be made by craftsman and handbuilt.
HK guns are built to run, and I guess 1911 is built as a piece of art that you can take to the range once in awhile.
Not much different. If you want a quality 1911 that will really go the distance it will cost you more than the hk on initial cost forget the expensive maintenance that follows. Larry vickers one of the biggest 1911 fans currently carries a hk45. So what do you want? A pretty toy? Or a pretty yet sturdy tool?
I would have loved to get into a P30L. One of the major factors in the decision, as I mentioned in my OP is access to spare parts and service. Hands down I have been told everywhere I ask, that HK sucks in this department, and that Glock has the best spare parts access; but there is no shortage of CZ parts and accessories as I look. That makes it really comfortable for me to feel like I can try a bunch of things out and see exactly what I like, and I believe if it comes to, sell it and it's accessories later when I change what it is I want to do with a gun.
The more I look into it, the more I believe that while I am learning, a gun to burn thousands of rounds through and play at the range sport shooting with is more suited to the CZ.
If I want to plan a SHTF gun, I will take a P30 for it's fighting prowess, but I don't need the P30L in that case. As of right now I have fired a gun once in my whole life. A Tier One fighting gun is not exactly what I need.
And finally the honest truth is, for the same price as a stock P30L, I can get a finely tuned CZ SP01 Shadow, I have been told by experienced shooters that the HK can't compete trigger and overall feel wise and I believe them, or they wouldn't all be shooting CZ.
I love all your feedback though guys.
The more I look into it, the more I believe that while I am learning, a gun to burn thousands of rounds through and play at the range sport shooting with is more suited to the CZ.
If I want to plan a SHTF gun, I will take a P30 for it's fighting prowess, but I don't need the P30L in that case. As of right now I have fired a gun once in my whole life. A Tier One fighting gun is not exactly what I need.
And finally the honest truth is, for the same price as a stock P30L, I can get a finely tuned CZ SP01 Shadow, I have been told by experienced shooters that the HK can't compete trigger and overall feel wise and I believe them, or they wouldn't all be shooting CZ.
I love all your feedback though guys.
