The Battle Rifle Pictures Thread

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Ardent said:
It's a PE90, and strongly disagree. It's a very pricey stamped sheet metal receiver semi with awkward and fragile mags, it is also ridiculously heavy for a .223, and not a battle rifle at all (though it weighs as much), so curious it was posted here. They're OK rifles, but there this much better available. Being non-restricted, for now, is a nice plus, but I was very underwhelmed in my time with them. They are however of good quality, and as accurate as any good semi.
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I usually agree with a lot of your posts, but you're out to lunch this time. Please elaborate on which much better rifles are available and how they are better. The SA's main drawbacks are lack or cheese grater rails to mount crap, optics sit high on diopter models and people compare the full size rifles weight to a AR carbine. Weak mags? You can do push-ups on SIG mags, I've done it and their feed lips will not bend like a AR GI steel mag.

However as a no nonsense infantry rifle the 55X series are extremely rugged, very reliable and can take a beating that will render other rifles inoperable and that's a fact. My personal PE has 3500 rounds through it with no malfunctions whatsoever. As for quality it is top notch.
 
Fair enough, we all have our preferences. I found the PE90's 9lbs to be unbelievably overweight even if not compared to an AR carbine, that's slightly heavier than some M14s in fibreglass, and the M14 is considered a heavy brute and it's a .308. It's the same weight as my .375 H&H Express rifle as well, and yet only a .223. The fragile mags comment comes from their connecting tabs breaking on my mags, and another 5/20 that cracked where the rivet was put in. I'd take steel mags happily in comparison, but neither of us are hauling the guns into combat so the point is moot if both options are durable, and they reasonably are.

I agree with you on liking the clean, non-tacticooled lines (seems you like this as well), no fan myself of hanging rails and accessories off everything. I enjoyed my PE90 for what it's meant for, prone iron sights shooting to extended ranges. However owning it beside M14 builds I prefered the M14 given it was the same weight, yet a .308, and the M14 had the better iron sights. The diopter sights are swell by can't compete with the MOA clicks and range of the M14, but we're getting into battle rifle vs black rifle at that point :)

Finally, KevinB detailed his experience in the Middle East years ago when he was gung ho on the Swiss rifles, unfortunately however the experienced problems with theirs and the AR quickly replaced it again. I'm paraphrasing as it's been years, but the thread will still be there if the particulars are desired. I do believe it's a good rifle, just not all it's hyped to be on the black rifle forum. You are right in that it could be one of the most accurate non-restricted black rifles available, but mine only really performed with RUAG and was otherwise very similar to my M96 and 580+ series Mini, and behind my ARs at the time (albeit they are restricted). So decently accurate in summary, but didn't stun me there either unless using the RUAG but too pricey, and just so darn heavy for what in the end is a good quality sheet metal stamped .223 rifle with a decent barrel. I'm still shopping them depending where this classification business goes as I enjoy most fighting rifles for target use, and the PE90 is fun there too.

Good thing we don't all agree it would be a boring place! :)
 
I finally have mine completed the way I want:

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We were repeatedly hitting gongs at 500m with the irons. Now that it is scoped I am going to hit 900m and see whats up.

Shawn
 
Ardent said:
Fair enough, we all have our preferences. I found the PE90's 9lbs to be unbelievably overweight even if not compared to an AR carbine, that's slightly heavier than some M14s in fibreglass, and the M14 is considered a heavy brute and it's a .308. It's the same weight as my .375 H&H Express rifle as well, and yet only a .223. The fragile mags comment comes from their connecting tabs breaking on my mags, and another 5/20 that cracked where the rivet was put in. I'd take steel mags happily in comparison, but neither of us are hauling the guns into combat so the point is moot if both options are durable, and they reasonably are.

I agree with you on liking the clean, non-tacticooled lines (seems you like this as well), no fan myself of hanging rails and accessories off everything. I enjoyed my PE90 for what it's meant for, prone iron sights shooting to extended ranges. However owning it beside M14 builds I prefered the M14 given it was the same weight, yet a .308, and the M14 had the better iron sights. The diopter sights are swell by can't compete with the MOA clicks and range of the M14, but we're getting into battle rifle vs black rifle at that point :)

Finally, KevinB detailed his experience in the Middle East years ago when he was gung ho on the Swiss rifles, unfortunately however the experienced problems with theirs and the AR quickly replaced it again. I'm paraphrasing as it's been years, but the thread will still be there if the particulars are desired. I do believe it's a good rifle, just not all it's hyped to be on the black rifle forum. You are right in that it could be one of the most accurate non-restricted black rifles available, but mine only really performed with RUAG and was otherwise very similar to my M96 and 580+ series Mini, and behind my ARs at the time (albeit they are restricted). So decently accurate in summary, but didn't stun me there either unless using the RUAG but too pricey, and just so darn heavy for what in the end is a good quality sheet metal stamped .223 rifle with a decent barrel. I'm still shopping them depending where this classification business goes as I enjoy most fighting rifles for target use, and the PE90 is fun there too.

Good thing we don't all agree it would be a boring place! :)
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All good Ardent, thanks for elaborating. Yes a top notch M14 will always be a fine rifle indeed and I fully agree it and the M1 have the best iron sights going.
Just FYI the problems in the Middle East were with the SIG 552 which has a different operating system from the 550. It would break guide rods and the piston ran straight through the bolt carrier which caused cracks. It was due to these problems that SIG dropped it and made the 553 which has the earlier 550's operating system shortened down (which they should have done in the first place).
No parts failures on FA are known with the 550/553 rifles, they are tanks.
 
I'm waiting patiently until my wait list for the FAMAE SG542 comes to fruition... until then its relying on the toys...

Norc M305



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7.62x39 CZ858 (technically still .30;))

 
J996 said:
However as a no nonsense infantry rifle the 55X series are extremely rugged, very reliable and can take a beating that will render other rifles inoperable and that's a fact. My personal PE has 3500 rounds through it with no malfunctions whatsoever. As for quality it is top notch.
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I have used and abused the Sig 552 Commando, I agree with your comment but the rifle has two serious flaws.
The charging handle and return rod and spring. Charging handle has to be removed in order to pull the bolt out, the return rod and spring has no catch, once you crack open that upper, if it doesn't hit your face or you cup your hand over the end, it's flying away.
 
Hey guys, just flipped through all 32 pages of awesomeness and there sure is some great rifles in this community!

I've been neglecting my M-305 lately but looking at this thread is making me want to get it back out of the safe!

I posted these pics before but I figured one more time couldn't hurt ;)

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I appologize for the less than awesome cell phone pics, I promise I'll take some proper shots of this rig soon.
All I need now is the M14.ca SHG and that should complete the package. It wasn't available when I put this puppy together last summer.
 
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