Black rifle prices

banditos said:
Maybe I Run Guns is the answer.
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Yup.

From now on thats who I will purchase my guns from. for the same reason I buy all my other sh!t from Brownells.

CdnCombatMedic said:
I honestly don't know what's so special about the T97. For one it's ugly as sin and two, it's Norinco lol.
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Remember your on CGN... Where Norico is king for some reason... but 1000$ for that train wreck... LMFAO....
 
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IRUNGUNS said:
IMHO the lower the retail prices we as Canadians can attain in the firearms market the more beneficial it will be in the long run to both retailers and buyers and the firearms industry as a whole. The more shooters we can get into this sport will increase our chances of keeping our sport going for our children and future generations. Politicians will have less power to inact laws that restrict our freedoms the more main stream and widely accepted our sport becomes.

Steve

IRUNGUNS
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one thing some shops dont always consider is with lower profit margins comes more purchases. you may not make $1000 profit on a sale anymore, maybe you make $500(or less), but you now sell 8 guns at your new lower price for every 1 gun at your old price.
so your $1000 profit is now $4000 simply by lowering prices and increasing the amount of product that goes out the door.
price held me back on a few purchases, truth be told i bought the m&p off you because of the low price, i wasnt even looking for one, it was on my eventually list, but theres others that were further up the list.. i was clicking around one night after work and saw it on your site and figured what the hell.
and now ive got to get mags off you for it once you get them in stock...again, more sales.(i like to have 5 mags per pistol)

thank you for doing what you are doing.
 
Every time I go into a gun store I see tons of stuff no one is buying, same old super expensive rifles stay on the wall for up to a year, same old super expensive hand guns too. I'm not sure if it's the distributors that are forcing the gun store to hold stock on rifles that don't sell and limit the stock on the rifles that do sell. Seems like a bizarro equation there.

Yet the stuff that I want to buy, they just ran out of, barely just a couple of days ago... Same goes with mags, ammo, optics, etc.
 
mikethebike said:
Every time I go into a gun store I see tons of stuff no one is buying, same old super expensive rifles stay on the wall for up to a year, same old super expensive hand guns too. I'm not sure if it's the distributors that are forcing the gun store to hold stock on rifles that don't sell and limit the stock on the rifles that do sell. Seems like a bizarro equation there.

Yet the stuff that I want to buy, they just ran out of, barely just a couple of days ago... Same goes with mags, ammo, optics, etc.
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Not it at all. The over priced rare cr@p you see on shelves is usually a result of poor decision making by the head of sales, stockman, whatever you want to call the position. Lots of bean counters/upper mgmt types making decisions on inventory that haven't a clue what is or is not in demand, WSS is a fine example of this complete lack of communication between customer demands and inventory selection/maintenance.


TDC
 
where you guys see all this "suoer expensive rare crap" taking up space on shelves? All the "super expensive rare crap" I want I have to order and wait a year or more to get it if they can even get their hands on it in the first place.
 
I'm not to much for the tactical accessories for my ARs or any of my firearms for that matter, it surprises me at the very high prices on things like mass produced rails, charge handles, back up sights, flash hiders, muzzle brakes, lights and optics etc... I assume the prices are steep since most of it is flogged to government agencies. Many of the same items are duplicated in the airsoft/paintball world and are sold at a quarter to half of what we pay as firearms owners, doesn't really make a lot of sense...
 
ez8 said:
i clearly stated the difference in the tavors they are importing, but the cost should be similar.

irunguns is both a canadian and a US company. main office yes in the states, but they also have a building (storage) facilility in canada which they process orders out of and comply wih all canadian laws. yes they cut costs where they can..thats a given but that is also highly reflected in the price.

im not assuming retailers are buying direct from the mfrg, they mostly use a middleman to make is simple.... so why dont they go straight to the mfrg like e US shops? some do some dont.
as for volume sales, that depends on the item. local shop gets 20 glocks in and has them sold within a week, cz shadows on backorders, NEA on backorder untill recently and the are Canadian (once upon a time i think oneshot had some of their products) rainer arms on backorder, muzzle brakes, Cadex on massive backoder wen i tried to get one last year, KAC is what a 6 month wait to get a lower... the market is there, the products arent.
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Why don't Norinco M14's cost the same as U.S. M14's then? I know the answer, but I want to see if you know the answer too.

Yes, Irunguns has a small distribution centre up here. Their main office is in the states, and they can do all the export work there. Comparing the small distribution centre up here to that of a retailer/wholesaler is ridiculous.

As for why don't retailers up here go direct to the manufacturer, that has been covered. This isn't the U.S., thingss have to cross a border. For most gunshops that maybe get a dozen M and P pistols at aa time, it would cost more to import them than get them from a distributor. You have to understand that the small size of our market and low turn around makes it impractical for most retaileers to go direct. This is also assuming that there aren't exclusivity agreements in place.

As for availibility, I basically answered that in an earlier post. Canada simply isn't a priority for most manufacturers.

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to defend the prices, I'm just trying to help you (and others) understand why prices are what they are. Additionally, I think we should be appreciating how inexppensive firearms are here. Look at what firearms cost in Europe before complaining of prices here.
 
MET said:
I'm not to much for the tactical accessories for my ARs or any of my firearms for that matter, it surprises me at the very high prices on things like mass produced rails, charge handles, back up sights, flash hiders, muzzle brakes, lights and optics etc... I assume the prices are steep since most of it is flogged to government agencies. Many of the same items are duplicated in the airsoft/paintball world and are sold at a quarter to half of what we pay as firearms owners, doesn't really make a lot of sense...
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It makes perfect sense when you examine them side by side. Materials and tolerances are sh!t tier in airsoft knockoffs.
 
Brian46 said:
where you guys see all this "suoer expensive rare crap" taking up space on shelves? All the "super expensive rare crap" I want I have to order and wait a year or more to get it if they can even get their hands on it in the first place.
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You been to Italian or Reliable lately?
 
TDC said:
I fully agree. The price tag is far too high for a Norinco, and far too high for Canada.

TDC
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Please explain why $1000 is too high for a Norinco when an equivalent American/European product is $2-3000. Additionally, everyne who had one of the original Restricted batch were very happy with them.
 
MET said:
I have never compared the stuff, likely never will, I was pretty much saying the accessories I listed in my previous reply are quite high in general and I don't just mean in Canada.
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My point was they're not high when you take the quality of workmanship and materials in to account. Real gun parts/accessories are designed/manufactured to withstand real use and abuse. Airsoft parts replicate the look but quickly fall apart if subjected to the same sort of use. Comparing the prices of the two is pointless as the products aren't comparable.
 
rivetc78 said:
Now we have North Sylva telling everyone the T97 has been oversold. Get yours now for $999-$1099 because the next shipment will be $1199. LOL

Get ours now for $1100 because someone else will bring some in for $900 later in the year
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That's what happenes when you get you marketing diploma from the back or a pizza box, I can understand why anyone would think we would fall for that....
If N.S can,t secure the same price or better, being they are the exclusive......
oww wait that's right.... that's why the price is going to be $1100.....
 
Ar180shooter said:
No... not really. He has only demonstrated that he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Are you a dealer or something? Like how do you know for certain or what experience do you have...no punt intended!

In all fairness I have seen some of the prices that this stuff really goes for, and I know people have to make money and all the costs that go with it, that being said the BS is pretty thick here...

A lot of these shops are making money and on many products are making a killing....


It is nice to see some of the monopoly starting to fade away, all be it very slowly....
 
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Leibermuster said:
It is nice to see some of the monopoly starting to fade away, all be it very slowly....
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That would be one of the best outcomes. To many times Dealers hands are tied on pricing and availability because someone else was lucky enough to sign on the dotted line 10-15-20 years ago and get distributorship.

All these manufacturers should revisit how their products are sold in Canada.
 
Ar180shooter said:
Why don't Norinco M14's cost the same as U.S. M14's then? I know the answer, but I want to see if you know the answer too.

Yes, Irunguns has a small distribution centre up here. Their main office is in the states, and they can do all the export work there. Comparing the small distribution centre up here to that of a retailer/wholesaler is ridiculous.

As for why don't retailers up here go direct to the manufacturer, that has been covered. This isn't the U.S., thingss have to cross a border. For most gunshops that maybe get a dozen M and P pistols at aa time, it would cost more to import them than get them from a distributor. You have to understand that the small size of our market and low turn around makes it impractical for most retaileers to go direct. This is also assuming that there aren't exclusivity agreements in place.

As for availibility, I basically answered that in an earlier post. Canada simply isn't a priority for most manufacturers.

Just to be clear, I'm not trying to defend the prices, I'm just trying to help you (and others) understand why prices are what they are. Additionally, I think we should be appreciating how inexppensive firearms are here. Look at what firearms cost in Europe before complaining of prices here.
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i have no idea what it costs in the states for a Norc, but i was fairly sure that all Norc wasnt permitted in the states. also, why would the want a Norc there if they could get the real thing there for a grand.
lets compare... Norc ar15 in canada.. $700... remington r15 in the states.. $700.... hmm which would you rather buy? (im just picking the rem to symbolize a name brand.) so really, there is no market for Norc there.

as for irunguns "small" distribution center here.. ya it probably is small (you could google maps their address , and their shop location looks to be bigger than another "local" shops tho posted in here...so im inclined to believe their rent is higher), but they probably also have to now rent an apartment here, if they are flying in, staying overnight then flying back hotel costs at 2x a week would be $300 min..cheaper to have a apartment here with internet and computers so they could get some work don while enjoying a cold canadian beer..add in their plane tickets...all are business expenses, as well as a canadian phone line somewhere, and cell phone roaming charges. it adds up. if anything, i think their total operating cost combining their USA locations and Canadian locations probably greatly exceeds those costs of the canadian shops.



Ar180shooter said:
No... not really. He has only demonstrated that he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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actually, i have demonstrated that if one company can bring in guns (legally) and sell them to us at similar prices to USA retail then the canadian shops should be able to as well, and if they cant then maybe they should consult, or buy from that shop who has managed to find some magical way of getting guns into canada, selling at usa prices and still turning a profit making the work worthwhile.
warranties are through the mfrg, stores are suppose to help assist all warranties for those mfrgs but usually you get directed to the warranty card that came with whatever you bought and get a sorry i cant help you...somehow stores think this is acceptable.
 
Ar180shooter said:
No... not really. He has only demonstrated that he doesn't know what he's talking about.
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Leibermuster said:
Are you a dealer or something? Like how do you know for certain or what experience do you have...no punt intended!

In all fairness I have seen some of the prices that this stuff really goes for, and I know people have to make money and all the costs that go with it, that being said the BS is pretty thick here...

A lot of these shops are making money and on many products are making a killing....


It is nice to see some of the monopoly starting to fade away, all be it very slowly....
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this is exactly what ive been thinking...or, dare i say the "S" word.......
rivetc78 said:
That would be one of the best outcomes. To many times Dealers hands are tied on pricing and availability because someone else was lucky enough to sign on the dotted line 10-15-20 years ago and get distributorship.

All these manufacturers should revisit how their products are sold in Canada.
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sometimes poeple need to be taken down a notch....sometimes stores need to learn customer keep their doors open, so keep them happy or the bank will close the doors for you...
i dont wish for anyone to loose money, but i do wish for fairness.... and 50% margins are hardly fair....and im not talking about 50% on a $5 item.. hell some smaller items hold a 200% markup
 
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