Girsan Regard Thread

I have a recoil buffer on order from Buffer Technologies. Its 24.95 and comes with a stainless steel guide rod. I have the "Bright White" model and I can get rid of the black guide rod as I am going with all stainless on the exterior. I have a polished stainless skeletonized trigger and stainless skeletonized hammer on my list as well as the trigger bar,slide release and everything else. A company called SGS use to make a cool compensator for the 92 so i'm keeping my eye out for a used one. Check out Customized Creationz and Cylinder & Slide for cool Beretta 92 accessories that should fit our guns.
 
kschneider said:
I have a recoil buffer on order from Buffer Technologies. Its 24.95 and comes with a stainless steel guide rod.
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I read somewhere that this type of a buffer is good for 300 to 500 shots and the it mushrooms. I think you can just replace the plastic insert and the stainless steel guide rod should of course last much longer. The Bianco buffer arguably, after 1000 shots still shows no wear or deformation. Nothing to loose for $8.99. I think the combination of recoil buffer and heavier recoil spring should significantly reduce the stress on the frame until we know the frame is really good quality metallurgy and there is nothing to worry about.
 
Jabol said:
I read somewhere that this type of a buffer is good for 300 to 500 shots and the it mushrooms. I think you can just replace the plastic insert and the stainless steel guide rod should of course last much longer. The Bianco buffer arguably, after 1000 shots still shows no wear or deformation. Nothing to loose for $8.99. I think the combination of recoil buffer and heavier recoil spring should significantly reduce the stress on the frame until we know the frame is really good quality metallurgy and there is nothing to worry about.
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Google Turkish guns that blow up, You will be surprised ovrec
 
Woodeneye said:
Google Turkish guns that blow up, You will be surprised ovrec
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I am surprised how little info there is on Turkish guns blow up, there are far more "Glock blow up" websites. Any reference I've been able to find is some crappy shotgun that went kaboom which is irrelevant in this thread.
 
the only Beretta 92's that "blew up" did so because Navy Seal used SMG 9mm or +p+ in them. And take into account how much more use they see than ours do. I'm going the other way and loading them light and balancing that with the springs to take as much stress of it as possible. I was getting 1100+ fps with American Eagle. Who needs that. 900+ would be good enough. Thats what is hard on the slide. I would rather reduce the recoil than buffer it. it's the muzzle energy from these hot loads that is hard on everything. some have over 500 ft/lbs and a velocity of over 1400 fps. keep the muzzle energy below 300 ft/lbs and the velocity will be around 950 fps. Works fine in my buddys Beretta with some spring work. Blazer JHP 147 grain work good for this. Also Blazer TMJ 147 grain.
 
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Jabol said:
I am surprised how little info there is on Turkish guns blow up, there are far more "Glock blow up" websites. Any reference I've been able to find is some crappy shotgun that went kaboom which is irrelevant in this thread.
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Thats my point..nothing wrong with these pistols
 
Is it possible to get a .22 conversion kit for Beretta 92FS? I yes, I would suspect it would fit Girsan quite nicely. Anyone knows who would carry conversion kids for Beretta 92?
 
so, yay or nay? I had one in my paws today, along with a Beretta, and I liked the Turk better. it fit better, and looked nicer. it seemed to be tighter all around too. As for fit, it may have been the nicest fitting pistol I have ever had my hand(s) wrapped around to be honest.

But I don't want to buy one if its gonna wear out fast, or break or have malfunctions.
 
kschneider said:
The 92fs has a few safeguards against this. The problem was with the m9 and 92f that the girsan was modeled after. I wish they had copied the 92fs instead.
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Awesome. If the Girsan was priced like a Norc, I'd definitely get one. $499 really isn't bad at all, but I guess I got lucky with a slightly used Beretta that cost just a bit more than a new Girsan.
 
Mister Donut said:
Holy crap, I just read that thread. I noticed that in a few of the pics, the slide was stamped made in the USA. Were the defects restricted to just the US made guns or Italian made ones as well? I just picked up a 92FS, Made in Italy, and now I'm really worried.
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The original problem was due to inferior steel (according to the investigators) used in the slide for the 92F that was made in Italy.
It is unlikely now (20 years later) that anyone would be foolish enough to make a gun with the same inferior materials.
Certainly the USA models and the 92FS never had this issue. To be clear, this was not a design defect but rather a brittle steel
material issue by a government contractor trying to save money on military guns.
 
The 92 FS differs only one way. Above the left grip plate,and between the grip plate and the frame you will see a large circular pin. That is the hammer pin.The diameter was increased and a corresponding groove cut into the left rear portion of the slide. That was intended to " capture " the slide in case the rear of the slide should separate. The 92 F doesn't have it. Look at the rear left lower corner of the beretta slide and you can seen an extra groove at the bottom that the girsan does not have. Prior to its widespread adoption by the U.S. military, questions were raised in a 1987 General Accounting Office report after an incident where a slide failure on a Beretta M9 injured a Naval Special Warfare member, and two more failures were later observed in additional testing. These failures included both military and civilian Beretta models with very high round counts, and after investigation they were deemed the result of ammunition supplied by the U.S. Army which exceeded the recommended pressures specified by NATO but nonetheless provoked a modification in the M9 design to prevent slide failure from causing injuries. That brought about the M9A1 IN 2006 as well as the 92FS, neither of which the girsan is modelled after, so it's a moot point. The slides did not fail on M9 and 92F (that girsan is modelled after) that fired the ammo that we will likely be firing (i know i won't be firing +p or +p+)Not to mention how long it will take me to get the mileage on mine that they had on those. I wouldn't worry about it. I'm more concerned if all the Beretta parts fit it for sure as i don't want to send for a $100.00 trigger or hammer for a Beretta and find out it doesn't fit and be stuck with it. anyway my finger is getting tired and i need to save it to go shooting. just regularly change your recoil spring before it gets tired. this is a key part and can really affect the life of a slide.During one test of twelve pistols fired at Beretta U.S.A. before Army supervision, Beretta-made M9 pistols shot 168,000 rounds without a single malfunction. if the girsan can go 1/4 that,i'll be happy.
 
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I am certain the Bianco recoil buffer with a combination of heavier spring will reduce the the stress of slide hitting the frame and should solve the issue of dubious frame metallurgy.
 
Mister Donut said:
Awesome. If the Girsan was priced like a Norc, I'd definitely get one. $499 really isn't bad at all, but I guess I got lucky with a slightly used Beretta that cost just a bit more than a new Girsan.
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$450 for for full size and compact black versions at SFRC when they have it in stock.
 
kschneider said:
I'm more concerned if all the Beretta parts fit it for sure as i don't want to send for a $100.00 trigger or hammer for a Beretta and find out it doesn't fit and be stuck with it.
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So far everything I tried has dropped in, or been a hair tight requiring minor polishing to fit. These seem to be true copies, made to slightly tighter tolerances then Beretta...hence the parts being a hair tight.
 
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check out this recoil buffer system.http://www.sprinco.com/recoil.html the barrel is pretty sweet too. i wonder if it would work as well. probably not due to possible difference in lock block.There is no doubt that the Sprinco is the best recoil buffer system out there. The 1911 guys swear by them, and there aren't any plastic pieces to replace every 5,000 rounds. Nothing cheap about it. You get what you pay for.
 
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kschneider said:
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check out this recoil buffer system.http://www.sprinco.com/recoil.html the barrel is pretty sweet too. i wonder if it would work as well. probably not due to possible difference in lock block.There is no doubt that the Sprinco is the best recoil buffer system out there. The 1911 guys swear by them, and there aren't any plastic pieces to replace every 5,000 rounds. Nothing cheap about it. You get what you pay for.
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So that's a Beretta or a Girsan fitted with all Beretta parts?
 
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