Girsan Regard Thread

it's a beretta fitted with aftermarket parts, but if factory beretta 92 parts fit the girsan, as pointed out by others on this forum, it follows that the aftermarket parts for the beretta should also fit the girsan, as they should be identical to the factory parts they replace. and the nice part about that buffer/guide rod in the picture does not have a bushing to replace as it uses a spring instead.i'm sure the spring needs to be replaced eventually, but i have heard of those cheap recoil buffers having little pieces break off and gumming up the works. the 1911 guys in competition have been using sprinco for awhile. and they have the matching recoil spring for it too.
 
While I'm not a huge fan of the Beretta 92/M9, the guns have some very good qualities. The pistols that failed in US service were fed a continuous diet of very hot loaded 147 grain ammunition - very close to 357 Mag ballistics. You can't buy factory ammo loaded to those pressures and frankly only an idiot would try to reproduce that load - to give you an idea of how hot those loads were, the brass would be useless after one firing. There was an article written at the time that suggested the 147 grain bullet was travelling at the same velocity as 115 grain +P hollow points (1200-1300 fps).
 
kschneider said:
it's a beretta fitted with aftermarket parts, but if factory beretta 92 parts fit the girsan, as pointed out by others on this forum, it follows that the aftermarket parts for the beretta should also fit the girsan, as they should be identical to the factory parts they replace. and the nice part about that buffer/guide rod in the picture does not have a bushing to replace as it uses a spring instead.i'm sure the spring needs to be replaced eventually, but i have heard of those cheap recoil buffers having little pieces break off and gumming up the works. the 1911 guys in competition have been using sprinco for awhile. and they have the matching recoil spring for it too.
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That makes sense that the parts should fit.
 
kschneider said:
it's a beretta fitted with aftermarket parts, but if factory beretta 92 parts fit the girsan, as pointed out by others on this forum, it follows that the aftermarket parts for the beretta should also fit the girsan, as they should be identical to the factory parts they replace. and the nice part about that buffer/guide rod in the picture does not have a bushing to replace as it uses a spring instead.i'm sure the spring needs to be replaced eventually, but i have heard of those cheap recoil buffers having little pieces break off and gumming up the works. the 1911 guys in competition have been using sprinco for awhile. and they have the matching recoil spring for it too.
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Would still buy the Beretta.
 
JR Hartman said:
kshneider, how did you get one of those sprinco ones in Canada? It says they won't ship outside the us. Quite firmly.
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i didn't say i got one yet i am working on it. that picture i posted is not my gun. i wish. i posted it to show what i was talking about. there is a distributor in canada but they only list 5 models and they are all for glocks. i called Sprinco and they say they check into it and get back to me. i gave the canadian distributor they sprinco model number and he is checking into it also. when i find out more i will post all the info on how to get if anyone is even interested. the cost from sprinco is $80.00. that includes a stainless guide rod and a recoil spring that sounds indestructable. there web site says "Quite simply, after installing / using our springs, if you forget about us, we have done our job...(But please, feel free to come back to see us when you build your next project!!!) that is copied from there web site. so as soon as i find out i'll post it.
 
The lock up design of these guns doesn't really put any major recoil stress on the slide. Probably one of the lightest factory recoil springs in a full size aluminum 9mm at 13lbs. Walther P1 has two 6lb springs and similar design lock up. Glock is 17lbs by comparison, SIG 226 is 15lbs.
I think running a 15lb spring and changing it out every 6000 rounds will make these last a very long time.
 
Hitzy said:
The lock up design of these guns doesn't really put any major recoil stress on the slide. Probably one of the lightest factory recoil springs in a full size aluminum 9mm at 13lbs. Walther P1 has two 6lb springs and similar design lock up. Glock is 17lbs by comparison, SIG 226 is 15lbs.
I think running a 15lb spring and changing it out every 6000 rounds will make these last a very long time.
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Great info here, thanks. I am however a little more concerned about the frame, not the slide but hopefully my worries are are completely unfounded. I have to say, the fit and finish of these Girsan stainless guns is superb. Everything fits and clicks nice and tight, no rattle whatsoever, slide has no side to side motion, barrel has no motion when locked and loaded. I haven't shot it yet (work keeps me tied to my desk for long hours every day), so I make no comments if things will remain tight after many shots but perhaps CGNers who had menaged to put several hundreds of shots can chime in.
 
Jabol said:
Great info here, thanks. I am however a little more concerned about the frame, not the slide but hopefully my worries are are completely unfounded. I have to say, the fit and finish of these Girsan stainless guns is superb. Everything fits and clicks nice and tight, no rattle whatsoever, slide has no side to side motion, barrel has no motion when locked and loaded. I haven't shot it yet (work keeps me tied to my desk for long hours every day), so I make no comments if things will remain tight after many shots but perhaps CGNers who had menaged to put several hundreds of shots can chime in.
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1400 rounds down the tube, everything looks good, shoots great
looks like it did when i bought it
if you want to see specific pictures let me know
 
More good reads on 92FS....
http://pistol-training.com/articles/kevhs-very-opinionated-guide-to-the-beretta-92
More here
http://www.ar15.com/archive/topic.html?b=5&f=15&t=67223
I wouldn't worry to much about the frames...
http://www.gunandgame.com/forums/powder-keg/14293-beretta-92-fs-strength.html

Only cracked frame I could find and it was a machining defect..
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=492383

More info
http://www.thehighroad.org/archive/index.php/t-68300.html

Basically keep it lubed, clean it properly, replace wear parts when required and they will be fine pistols.
 
Hitzy said:
The lock up design of these guns doesn't really put any major recoil stress on the slide. Probably one of the lightest factory recoil springs in a full size aluminum 9mm at 13lbs. Walther P1 has two 6lb springs and similar design lock up. Glock is 17lbs by comparison, SIG 226 is 15lbs.
I think running a 15lb spring and changing it out every 6000 rounds will make these last a very long time.
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the locking block and aluminum frame take a pounding and do crack and they need proper lubrication with the slide running on the aluminum frame. im just going to clean and lube it regularly and be ever vigilant for cracks or breaks and just shoot it. nothings perfect.
 
The locking block is a replaceable part, and I remember seeing a service interval for it somewhere. I wouldn't be overly concerned, as I said, the catastrophic failures resulted from abuse - any dog will bite if you kick it for long enough. Around the same time as the Beretta problems, the RCMP ERT's were sending Sig P226's back because the frame rails were tearing, a direct result of the same type of abuse.
 
kschneider said:
the locking block and aluminum frame take a pounding and do crack and they need proper lubrication with the slide running on the aluminum frame. im just going to clean and lube it regularly and be ever vigilant for cracks or breaks and just shoot it. nothings perfect.
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I searched long and hard for Beretta frame cracking and literally nothing showed up except the link to that one with a miss cut frame rail.....
 
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