I did reload a lot but since my heart attack, i like deal big batch of quality Match ammo, getting older, i realised that saving time is alot more valuable than saving money, but i still reload for my Nemesis, i will for my 6.5 Creedmoor, but with the quality of factory ammo, you cant go wrong... JP.
Anyone got experience with a SA NM M1A...
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I have had some excellent results with the 168 hornady match in my supermatch M1A . None of this 30 min to shoot 5 rounds bs . with good ammo and when I do my part my M1A will shoot MOA 10 shot groups out to 300 . 10 shots 2 minutes max . Enjoy the rifle i love mine
Yahhhh, 95% bull, just like people shooting 1 inch groups with their glocks 9mm at 100 yards. People lie, they want to be superstars, what can I say. Like the stories of people m305 shooting quarters at 100 yards...
Thats why they have competitions out there, so that people can't lie. Thats why you never see a m305 winning a competition of any kind.
You mean a 3 inch 10 shot group at 300 yards in 120 seconds? A shot every 12 second? Did you count all 10 shots in your accuracy report? 12 seconds is not enough time for the barrel to get back to the same temperature as your first shot, effects will be cumulative in deterioration! The rifling grooves have expended, the length of the barrel has expanded, diameter of the bore has expanded, combustion formula is different as ambient air in the chamber is quite hot, density of air in the barrel has changed as hot air is substantially not as dense as cold air, everything is quite substantially different from the 1st shot, all effects are cumulative in deterioration. Even the slighest disparities in barrel and chamber at 300 yards will make a vast difference in grouping, 300 yards is a long long way.
What about shooter fatigue, what about breathing, 120 seconds is quite a tight time frame to have the same shots fired at the same lung capacity expansion. Shoulder position, 120 seconds for 10 shots is also tight to have the same shoulder position, grip, trigger, etc...
I don't understand how you can get a 1 moa group from that many disparities unless you can quickly measure those disparities and compensate, which if you can, means you belong on the Canadian Olympic Shooting team. If so please inform us how you compensate with calculations so that you shots still stay within 1 moa at 300 yards with factory ammo no less...
Ballistically your comment just doesn't meet my common sense meter, sorry.
I'm just plain tired of all these world class sub moa shooters on this site, do you all have 12 inch #####es too? I find I'm having a very good day with 2 to 3 moa, generally I'm happy if I get a 3 to 4 inch group at 100 yards.
I'm not saying that some of you are not exceptional shooters, yes I agree some of you maybe 4% to 5% of the shooters on this site are absolutely great marksmen, but not 95%, and certainly not with a norinco ar or a m305 that doesn't make any sense at all. And usually those remarkable shooters actually never boast about their skills.
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^^^ Yep... Dead on, I'm so tired of these BS range reports with 500$ guns. And yet competition winner target shooters with their 6000$ rifles can't even get that performance, that's like winning the Monaco grand prix with a Honda civic against Schumacher and his F1
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Well I can't understand the anger but if you are interested in a discussion, I think the differences are between guns that will consistently shoot sub-MOA, on demand under all conditions versus guns that will occasionally shoot sub-MOA. There are few cheap versions of the former and I haven't personally seen any, at any price, in semi-auto - maybe I don't hang with the right crowd.
On shooting the occasional sub-MOA group, lack of consistency can be due to many variables: environment, ammo, gun or shooter - who knows sometimes; it could even be a statistical event if one shoots enough. Even so, I'd bet that there are few shooters out there who would dismiss an increasing frequency of sub-MOA groups (even when they can't produce them on-demand) as being a sign that their gun-tweaking, reloading or skills aren't improving.
On BS range reports with Sh1tty $500 guns, I've shot side-by-side with National competition shooters with Springfield M1As and ya know what, while I wasn't shooting consistent sub-MOA, neither we're they - and my groups were a little tighter. That said, they were using iron sights while I can't even see the target without a scope, so I'm not boasting about my skills, just sayin' that for the money the cheap platforms can offer a ton of value.
If you choose not to use them, I'd hope you that your conviction in your choices wouldn't require bashing others.
Nuff said...
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My NM M1A is now here and my oldest grandson is a happy kid with is new used M-305... Now my M-305 was a 3.5-6.0 MOA rifle from open sight @ 100 yard with Match ammo, if my NM M1A give me an honest 2.5 MOA open sights, this will be a hell of a rifle worth every penny, yet i just find out that the trigger is an oustanding 2 stage trigger with no creep and very clean breaking at 3.8 pounds and the peep sights are so easy to use even for older eyes, i think it will be a very easy rifle to shoot, everything on this rifle spell top quality... JP.
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Congratulations JP.My NM M1A is now here and my oldest grandson is a happy kid with is new used M-305... Now my M-305 was a 3.5-6.0 MOA rifle from open sight @ 100 yard with Match ammo, if my NM M1A give me an honest 2.5 MOA open sights, this will be a hell of a rifle worth every penny, yet i just find out that the trigger is an oustanding 2 stage trigger with no creep and very clean breaking at 3.8 pounds and the peep sights are so easy to use even for older eyes, i think it will be a very easy rifle to shoot, everything on this rifle spell top quality... JP.[/URL][/IMG]
Mine has been doing the tour of Montreal since Wednesday due to an error in the postal code.
I caught the error Wednesday morning but it has been moved around to 5 different places and it seems like it will be spending the weekend in some postal outlet till Monday.
that is a beautiful rifle ! lately you've made some awesome purchases
wow
time to grease er up and nail the bulls eye
wow
time to grease er up and nail the bulls eye
My NM M1A is now here and my oldest grandson is a happy kid with is new used M-305... Now my M-305 was a 3.5-6.0 MOA rifle from open sight @ 100 yard with Match ammo, if my NM M1A give me an honest 2.5 MOA open sights, this will be a hell of a rifle worth every penny, yet i just find out that the trigger is an oustanding 2 stage trigger with no creep and very clean breaking at 3.8 pounds and the peep sights are so easy to use even for older eyes, i think it will be a very easy rifle to shoot, everything on this rifle spell top quality... JP.[/URL][/IMG]
No you are not wrong. I don't get these chumps who come into an open forum visited by at least a few guys who actually know for real what rifles can and cant do and try layin down this garbage. It might work in some bar full of big city slickers but it just shouldnt fly here without getting called out.
If a guy wants to come out to the range and do it in front of the guys he will either leave with a donkeys tail pinned on his butt, or as my new best friend.
You really know how to ruin my weekend don't you JP.[/URL][/IMG]Just sprayed ( very gently with a micro tube, some high quality grease) without stripping down my rifle as it is glass bedded and not recommended to strip often... Anyway this rifle cycle sooo smooth, what a difference... JP.
Why don't you try to make it out to the M14 clinic in Petawawa on the 19-20th of October.
I'm also buying a Norinco M305 so I can play around taking that apart at the clinic.
This way you will get to shoot that beauty with iron sights at a beautiful range.
While you will be at the clinic, i will having a glass of red wine on my balcony in Cote d'Azur, pictures are for you to ease the pain... lol... JP.You really know how to ruin my weekend don't you JP.
Why don't you try to make it out to the M14 clinic in Petawawa on the 19-20th of October.
I'm also buying a Norinco M305 so I can play around taking that apart at the clinic.
This way you will get to shoot that beauty with iron sights at a beautiful range.
Caramel congratulations on your SA, I understand your fears but you really do want to do a complete tear down and proper clean and grease of your new rifle. Here is a very detailed article for you and the other new owners on how to grease it and what types of grease are normally used.
http://independencearmory.com/downloads/M14_Articles/M14_lubrication_instructions.pdf
