Concealed Carry in Canada....

why do you suppose residents in those States feel they need to carry while residents North of the 49th don't?
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People here are more self reliant, rather than relying on the government to provide for and protect them. Especially in the Northern rural states.
 
cadgo said:
People here are more self reliant, rather than relying on the government to provide for and protect them. Especially in the Northern rural states.
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Yup rural Americans are so much different than rural Canadians. You really do have to get out more.

IIRC you have Local Police, State Police, FBI, US Marshall Service, US Border Patrol, DEA, ATF, FBI, Homeland Security, National Guard and the Armed Services protecting you along with farm subsidies, food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Insurance, and widespread tariff to protect your industries but yes, you are so much more self reliant! Yup you certainly are less socialized then we are.

The US is the largest debtor nation in the world owing more sovereign debt than the rest of the word combined but you are so much more self reliant except for the fact you have to borrow money from China just to keep your government operating expenses funded.

Of the States with lower homicide rates none have population centres as large as any of the four western provinces largest cities.

Nothing personal but the self righteous crap about self reliance is just so much hot air.

Take Care

Bob
ps How is your Congress and Senate working for you these days. The best government money can buy.
 
Canuck44 said:
Yup rural Americans are so much different than rural Canadians. You really do have to get out more.

IIRC you have Local Police, State Police, FBI, US Marshall Service, US Border Patrol, DEA, ATF, FBI, Homeland Security, National Guard and the Armed Services protecting you along with farm subsidies, food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Insurance, and widespread tariff to protect your industries but yes, you are so much more self reliant! Yup you certainly are less socialized then we are.

The US is the largest debtor nation in the world owing more sovereign debt than the rest of the word combined but you are so much more self reliant except for the fact you have to borrow money from China just to keep your government operating expenses funded.

Of the States with lower homicide rates none have population centres as large as any of the four western provinces largest cities.

Nothing personal but the self righteous crap about self reliance is just so much hot air.

Take Care

Bob
ps How is your Congress and Senate working for you these days. The best government money can buy.
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Relax Bob, I have lived in both countries and I am just telling it like I see it. I can tell you with absolute certainty that rural Americans are far more self reliant than the average person in Terrace, BC.

As far as the population thing goes, those rural states are a much better comparison than any of the other states. Who would you like to compare? California with a population of 38 million??

The last line is kind of a funny comment seeing as how Canadian parliament isn't even open.....
 
Canuck44 said:
IIRC you have Local Police, State Police, FBI, US Marshall Service, US Border Patrol, DEA, ATF, FBI, Homeland Security, National Guard and the Armed Services protecting you
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None of the agencies listed above have any more of a mandate to "serve and protect" than do Canadian police services. They are enforcers of the law, not protectors of the public.
We know several women living on their own and all of them are self reliant, calling on neighbours before asking police for help. Works for us.

Our community is 50 miles from the nearest town and none of us regard the police as our saviours in a time of crisis. Oddly, a community a further 50 miles west of us has a couple of RCMP constables (a husband/wife team) stationed there. There are three reserves out that way and that might have a "community policing" aspect to it.
 
Honestly this is how I see it.

We live in a "Democracy" that puts in place people that choose to make up their own rules, because the law allows it... and by that I mean those nasty words "at discretion of the CFO"

Once we get rid of that mumbo jumbo legal crap, then perhaps we can have something in writing, that will allow people to apply to get them.

Until then, the CFOs are voted in from the RCMP ranks that don't want fire-arms out there. And lets face it. No Pro-Gun person will ever make it to those positions because it's all internal manipulation of who gets where.

Hmm... I think the rest of the world calls that Communism. But hey.
 
I want ccw now! Any candian that does not support ccw should pack up and live In the socialist uk. Their government will take care of you and hold your hand when crossing the street.
 
Canuck44 said:
Yup rural Americans are so much different than rural Canadians. You really do have to get out more.

IIRC you have Local Police, State Police, FBI, US Marshall Service, US Border Patrol, DEA, ATF, FBI, Homeland Security, National Guard and the Armed Services protecting you along with farm subsidies, food stamps, Medicare, Medicaid, Social Insurance, and widespread tariff to protect your industries but yes, you are so much more self reliant! Yup you certainly are less socialized then we are.

The US is the largest debtor nation in the world owing more sovereign debt than the rest of the word combined but you are so much more self reliant except for the fact you have to borrow money from China just to keep your government operating expenses funded.

Of the States with lower homicide rates none have population centres as large as any of the four western provinces largest cities.

Nothing personal but the self righteous crap about self reliance is just so much hot air.

Take Care

Bob
ps How is your Congress and Senate working for you these days. The best government money can buy.
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Lol winning.

I don't think any American can talk about self reliance when they are flat out bankrupt. Wanna be self reliant, stop bailing out the big banks, man up and face your problems. AKA stop creating money and buying #### you can't afford AKA default and bite the bullet.

I don't think there is a single MAJOR city either in the U.S. that has a lower crime rate then a comparable major city here.

Toronto 6 million people, most comparable city in size, area demographic and general culture would be Chicago. That last word alone explains everything. There were half the murders that this country sees in an entire year in one city alone.
 
mini15 said:
Lol winning.

I don't think any American can talk about self reliance when they are flat out bankrupt. Wanna be self reliant, stop bailing out the big banks, man up and face your problems. AKA stop creating money and buying #### you can't afford AKA default and bite the bullet.

I don't think there is a single MAJOR city either in the U.S. that has a lower crime rate then a comparable major city here.

Toronto 6 million people, most comparable city in size, area demographic and general culture would be Chicago. That last word alone explains everything. There were half the murders that this country sees in an entire year in one city alone.
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As if we're so much better off, factor in unfunded pensions and our per-capita debt ain't looking all that much better than theirs. The Americans certainly have their own set of issues with their government, but that hardly has anything to do with the debate at hand.

What the American example does show however, is that the doomsday scenarios predicted by the anti CCW crowd are fictions with no bearing on the real world. We can even take it beyond the US and Canada, analysis of global statistics actually shows a slight negative correlation between restrictions on people's right to own and use firearms as they choose and decreases in violent crime. Simply put, at the very least laws making it difficult for people to gain access to firearms have no effect on the general crime rate, which implies that they waste time and money infringing on people's rights to no good purpose, or they actually produce the opposite of the intended effect.

As for directly comparing cities, there are a whole host of reasons why that doesn't make sense. There are hundreds of factors affecting crime rates in urban areas, boiling it down to population alone is a gross oversimplification. Also, Chicago has some gun laws that make ours look tame.
 
The above is just silly.

"Hey, got a light?"

Back away from me or I'll defend myself."

"Knock knock on door"

Who is it and what do you want? (From behind closed doors)

Yep, I suppose at any time someone could just *pop* you and blackness, it is hardly an argument against CCW.

CCW is proven, PROVEN, to stop crime, and stop crime from escalation.

I'm not convinced that two "perps" (so obviously criminals) are shot in the face by a targeted attack by another criminal.

I'm concerned when I'm walking the cat, someone rushing at me and I can neutralize the threat,

Or my mom being attacked and she can neutralize the threat,

Or my elderly friend being attacked and neutralizing the threat,

Or any such instance.

Of course it isn't fool proof, what is?

I'll likely never be able to thwart a targeted attack by a guy hiding in the bush jumping out from behind me and shooting me in the head while I bend over to pick up the paper, (this is why I cancelled my subscription)

BUT...

I may be able to thwart an attack on my person in a day to day scenario if properly trained and given the right opportunity to carry.

one thing is for sure, without ccw, I'm 99.999% guaranteed to be unable to prevent ANY attack.
 
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Canuck44 said:
Kevin B I agree CCW is not forced upon anyone but the fact you in your State and County can do so does impact those who are around you though. Do you feel you need to carry to be safe in your daily life or do you carry just because you can?
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Do I feel the need to carry...
I don't think I need to carry everyday to be safe no, however like house insurance etc. I carry because one day I may need.
 
I'm 100% in favor of ccw. For myself it's a matter of personal freedom and choice rather than security as I feel pretty safe where I am. What would be nice is no ATT, allowing discharge on private property, and handgun hunting. Work on those first.....
 
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