Deuce and half restoration...interested?

"...These unfortunate vehicles..." Yep. And they suffered a lot of neglect when in service too. They did things early on that they could not near their end of service time. Stuff like air compressors to supply other equipment. Those kits got lost over time. Absolute pigs on fuel too.
"...The reason that they command..." Mostly because they're not as cool as a tank or AFV.
 
Ah, the old Deuce and a Half. I was lucky to drive one or two in my time. But it looks much better with the C1 Howitzer being towed behind. Bet there are a lot of the old Battery Boys with NMVAC dancing a jig right now!!!!!
Looking forward to seeing it...
 
Unfortunately even armoured vehicles don't command the sort of prices that you would expect for quite the same reasons. When you restore a vehicle you are never getting your money out of it if you decide to sell. They are laybors of love that you keep, enjoy, maintain, and share with others.

I agree they are labours of love (and require a touch of crazy and a one-in-a-million kind of wife) because if they aren't you will probably never finish it. I disagree a little with your comment about not getting your money back out, but that really depends on what it is and how much you have to put into it. A truck of this size, even if in decent shape with most of its bits is a +/- 10K~15k project not counting labour and certainly not paying shop time for mechanics and bodywork. You best be handy. If its a Deuce, an M series Dodge or even a 15cwt or 60cwt CMP then getting your investment back is doubtful. On the other hand a jeep, anything WW2 armour (seen what a Sherman tank is going for? Even Bren Carriers have gone nuts), anything WW2 American or neat Canadian CMP's like 8cwts, gun tractors and HUPs will get you there....just my observation. It also helps having a garage full of the right kind of tools because starting from scratch in that area is another hurdle.

Full disclosure: I have two up and running and am working on a third.
 
You're right bogusii, I shouldn't have said "never." I should have said that it is difficult depending on the project and number of parts that you have to buy. The right buyer is sometimes difficult to find if your vehicle wasn't completed for the NOS only, competition-ready purists. If you try to calculate in shop materials (everything from shop towel to axle grease to blasting media to mig wire and gas), and investments in tools the numbers can quickly get hairy. This isn't to try and dissuade people from taking on a project, just make sure that you have an idea of what you're in for before you start out. Otherwise you will quickly have a project that you assumed would be done in "no time" dragging on for years and having an unexpected impact on your wallet.

And having seen your projects I will certainly admit that they are worthy of envy!
 
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Interesting turn this thread has taken. To pull off a restoration a vehicle 50-60-70 years has a very loose sliding scale of difficulty and expense and depends on so many things both seen and unseen at the start of the project its mind and sometimes budget blowing. Thats why so many people start out a restoration get half ways through it and run out of steam and have what I call a "stuck build", lots of those out there. Will one get there money back, sort of like getting interest on the sweat equity, totally depends on the amount of effort and money plowed into the build, the interest at the time for certain vehicles and the economy. More on this last line, a good and true build is a way easier sell then some POS bubba backyard project and forget about sending bubba dream restore to Barret Jackson. Certain vehicles are HOT then die out as there want/must have factor dies down, remember HUMVEEs where the MUST HAVE during Gulf I and into the 1990s till the price of gas cooled that which leads to the economy. Back in 2008 when the economy tanked and everybody in the US was out of work, Ebay was flooded with jeeps at reasonable prices. Jeep prices had a bubble after Saving Pte Ryan and Band of Bros everybody wanted one. Jeep owner gets laid off and has to make the call, keep a 10-15K vehicle in the drive or make the mortage payment, feed the family, etc.
Some vehicles hold there value regadless of the all the above factors but are limited by the number of potential purchasers, not just everybody can swing owning a tank, halftrack, or something exotic from overseas.
 
Interesting turn this thread has taken. To pull off a restoration a vehicle 50-60-70 years has a very loose sliding scale of difficulty and expense and depends on so many things both seen and unseen at the start of the project its mind and sometimes budget blowing. Thats why so many people start out a restoration get half ways through it and run out of steam and have what I call a "stuck build", lots of those out there. Will one get there money back, sort of like getting interest on the sweat equity, totally depends on the amount of effort and money plowed into the build, the interest at the time for certain vehicles and the economy. More on this last line, a good and true build is a way easier sell then some POS bubba backyard project and forget about sending bubba dream restore to Barret Jackson. Certain vehicles are HOT then die out as there want/must have factor dies down, remember HUMVEEs where the MUST HAVE during Gulf I and into the 1990s till the price of gas cooled that which leads to the economy. Back in 2008 when the economy tanked and everybody in the US was out of work, Ebay was flooded with jeeps at reasonable prices. Jeep prices had a bubble after Saving Pte Ryan and Band of Bros everybody wanted one. Jeep owner gets laid off and has to make the call, keep a 10-15K vehicle in the drive or make the mortage payment, feed the family, etc.
Some vehicles hold there value regadless of the all the above factors but are limited by the number of potential purchasers, not just everybody can swing owning a tank, halftrack, or something exotic from overseas.

So true with muscle cars as well. You see so many projects like Camaros, 'Cuda's, Mustangs where the car is stripped right down and not anywhere near completed and it's for sale on Kijiji. What they don't realize is that they start with a $2K to 4K car and need another $30K to 50K, a shop, tools and lots of time to finish it. Usually much cheaper to buy someone's finished project in this economy. You won't make money on a restoration, but the hands on is great if that's what your hobby is.
 
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but the hands on is great if that's what your hobby is.

Ya gotta LIKE hiding in the garage doing stuff on yer own...as well as having some ability...and friends with the same affliction...and beer-you really REALLY need beer
 
Klunk if you some semi skilled free help from a guy with a bunch of time on his hands PM me I live in Hamilton so its not far for me.
 
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