Athrun[Zaft
CGN Regular
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- Oakville, Ontario
As the title says, just interested to know what features you guys like to see in black rifles. Things like ambidextrous controls, rail options, etc.
Pretty much what J996 said. I don't care much for rails, other than a top rail for mounting optics. Ambi controls are nice, but not essential.

I agree with those three, but I can sum those up quite easily in to one catagory that covers those three. #1 Country of manufacture1 -Reliability
2 -Durability
3 -Accuracy
In that order.
Basically it had better take rain, snow, mud and a beating without stopping or breaking. It has to be well made and it has to hold 2" at 100 meters.
Rifle size, dont care, I'm over 6'
Rifle weight, dont care, I'm in good shape.
I agree with those three, but I can sum those up quite easily in to one catagory that covers those three. #1 Country of manufacture
and I would not be happy with 2" at 100
you must have understood my post, I was simply saying that reliability, durability and accuracy can all be judged simply by looking at what country the gun was manufactured in.What country is that?
I agree with those three, but I can sum those up quite easily in to one catagory that covers those three. #1 Country of manufacture
and I would not be happy with 2" at 100
there you go, price point is usually another good way to judge accuracy, durability and reliability except is some rare collector gun type cases2 inch is pretty standard for a factory rifle using 55 FMJ. Pretty good for a noob to shooting a black rifle.
Hopefully the rifle is capable of better but that is a pretty decent minimum requirement. Your typically into $2000+ rifles to get better than that.
there you go, price point is usually another good way to judge accuracy, durability and reliability except is some rare collector gun type cases
I agree completely, but most first time buyers aren't going to spend $2000+ on an AR or similar.
OP, if you are going to buy an AR I suggest you look into Stag or Spikes for mid level affordable AR's, If you want to spend more then anything like LMT, HK, PWS, BCM, Knights, Colt are all great rifles you should never have problems with. There are others but those were the first to come to mind. Maybe an ACR? You can have it converted to non restricted later on.
If you want something non restricted you will be spending close to $2000 minimum and going up quickly from there. XCR-L is probably the best bang for the buck but something like an SL8-4 or a Swiss Arms, or an AR180B-2 are good choices depending on what you like the looks of.
The non restricted options are limited and get expensive quickly.
Save some budget for mags and ammo as well as some optics if you feel you need them.
The worst thing about AR's is that most people can't own just one. I own 3 right now plus a couple other 223 semi's and at one point I was up to 4 AR's.
If you want a long barrel accurate AR check out my ad in the EE
We haven't even touched on whether you want 223 or if you have the budget for 308.
How about some more details on what you plan to do with your new black rifle when you get it?
that is unfortunatemost first time buyers aren't going to spend $2000+ on an AR or similar.
good suggestion or wait a couple months and see if the NR does get released like promised this springMaybe an ACR? You can have it converted to non restricted later on.
I agree completely, quality costs moneyIf you want something non restricted you will be spending close to $2000 minimum and going up quickly from there.
I disagree, I would not venture down that road after seeing what friends have gone through with theirsXCR-L is probably the best bang for the buck
Agree 100%something like an SL8-4 or a Swiss Arms, are good choices
and rightly so, our fickle gun laws have guaranteed our retailers and importers a premium price and profit on NR black riflesThe non restricted options are limited and get expensive quickly.
great idea, try and stay away from the cheapest alternatives because sometimes it is more of a headache than it's worthSave some budget for mags and ammo as well as some optics if you feel you need them.
I disagree, I currently don't own any and have no incling to buy any againThe worst thing about AR's is that most people can't own just one. I own 3 right now plus a couple other 223 semi's and at one point I was up to 4 AR's.
If you want a long barrel accurate AR check out my ad in the EE![]()
I would prefer 308 if budget allows, gives you the option of going hunting if it is NRWe haven't even touched on whether you want 223 or if you have the budget for 308.
most if not all "black rifle" carbines are clasified as "restricted" by barrel length, where can you legaly "carry" these rifles around long enough that the weight from the extra barrel length becomes such an issue?.I used to carry the rifle around.
For this reason I'm into the lightweight, simple carbines...and yes, I'm still in fairly good shape.
I agree completely, but most first time buyers aren't going to spend $2000+ on an AR or similar.
because different people have different tastes and requirements in the "black" rifle they wantWhy should they? Have you looked at what a BCM or Daniel Defence rifle is going for?



























