SHTF Rifle - Ideas

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lol@the people thinking they will fire 1,000s of rounds in a SHTF situation.


Anyways, stack it deep.
 
mikethebike said:
Well living in Vancouver, a catastrophic earthquake is not a fantasy scenario, or day dreaming wannabes. Stocking up is a very real and important goal here. Defending what you stocked up is also pretty damn important. So a lot of people laugh at these posts, but living surrounded by near impassable mountains and bridges sure makes you wonder how well the federal rescue response would reach us in the first couple of weeks.

I'm not saying I'm digging my fallout shelter because the North Koreans have an armada trying to invade us, I'm saying being prepared and intelligent and knowing the real natural dangers about where you live sounds like common sense to me. Having some first aid supplies, canned foods, some good sleeping bags, some real thick wool sweaters, a flashlight that works, a good (non-chinese crap) knife, food and water for a couple of weeks and a means to defend this stuff sounds like common sense to me.

I lived through the ice storm in Montreal, my dad had a wood burning fireplace and a propane fireplace in the basement of our house, we had 3 other neighboring families and their kids stay in our house for 3 weeks during that time. It was an eye opener for me. It was either that or the shelters for them because they only had electric furnaces in their houses. In Quebec it gets pretty frigging cold in the winter.

Six years later when I was working at city hall in Montreal, the chief firemen would tell me the stories of those shelters and it wasn't pretty. People pissing and defecating in the halls, the stench, vomit everywhere. I'm amazed there wasn't a typhus epidemic, maybe it was borderline... The 22nd and the 12th and the local cf reserves from Montreal did what they could but frankly there just wasn't enough beds and tents for everyone.

that being said, this reminds me that I need to clean my tavor tonight.
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Our Provincial Emergency Preparedness organization tells us we need AT LEAST 72 hours worth of food, water and the ability to improvise shelter in the event of an earthquake. Frankly, I think they're living in a dream world if they think that Canada will have any chance of doing more that figuring out there's been an earthquake in the first 72 hours. Vancouver's airport is built on an area that insurance companies won't sell earthquake coverage to, due to the likelihood of liquefaction. So, no runways there. Possibly Abbotsford would be the only runway of decent capability. None of the bridges has any real seismic resistance, or engineering, so the mainland will be pretty much out of commission. Assuming there's NO Tsunami and no massive subduction (ie landforms remain but infrastructure is destroyed) - the Island doesn't generate it's own power, so we're done for lights and heat for the majority of the Island, downtown Victoria is totally unprepared for a major shake - most buildings downtown are brick and will collapse, sewers downtown are wood stave, so they're done, communication links are not EQ proofed, and our emergency radio system doesn't work properly in good times. Neither of the 2 major hospitals are 100 per cent seismically upgraded, large portions of Jubillee will be piles of rubble, some sections of Vic Gen will collapse. The police will not be there, I wouldn't expect them to sacrifice their families to save some guys liquor store, police in the US went home during Katrina, and pretty much every other major natural disaster the turnouts have been fairly low. My personal suspicion is that it would take 7-10 days for organized emergency response to reach people who aren't holding up buildings with their necks. During that time, there will be no emergency response for crimes such as looting, theft, and other nastiness - simply because there will be no way to contact first responders, and a severe shortage of responders to contact.
 
Nester vs Nestor?

anyways.. SHTF I think you need a lot less ammo then you think. Unless you have a shooting range you can get to easily. I'm in the City, SHTF, I might have a hard time target shooting.
 
Brian46 said:
Is there a formula to figure out how many rounds you need and may fire each day for any given SHTF situation..........If so, please share
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Have you ever carried around 1000rds on your back for an extended period of time?
good luck getting a stress fracture sorted out in a SHTF scenario.

Ton of fitness gods on this forum...
 
Lt. Colonel Hal Moore: "I think you oughta get yourself an M-16."

Sergeant Major Basil Plumley: "Sir, if the time comes I need one, there'll be plenty lying on the ground."
 
Brian46 said:
Hmmmm.......drinking sugar free things with aspartame makes your brain swell, could save money on ammunition if you are right.
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Brain needs as much training as the rest of your body.
If You want to survive anywhere else outside your own bedroom of course.
Thinking sure helps with that process.
Sun Tzu’s Art of War says that the greatest generals acquire victory without even fighting any battles.
I don't know where the idea of running the gun battles during all these SHTF scenarios came from, but for sure it far from anything smart.
 
Dogcat said:
Have you ever carried around 1000rds on your back for an extended period of time?
good luck getting a stress fracture sorted out in a SHTF scenario.

Ton of fitness gods on this forum...
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why on my back? I ain't going anywhere unless it is a forced situation and even then I am still going to be driving
 
Nestor said:
Brain needs as much training as the rest of your body.
If You want to survive anywhere else outside your own bedroom of course.
Thinking sure helps with that process.
Sun Tzu’s Art of War says that the greatest generals acquire victory without even fighting any battles.
I don't know where the idea of running the gun battles during all these SHTF scenarios came from, but for sure it far from anything smart.
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gun battles are a reality in a permanent SHTF scenario, when you are sitting on paradise and you have these guys that bugged out and are running out of resources make it out to your slice of rural paradise someone or a group of someones are going to want what you have. You gonna just open your door and share with people you don't know anything about? take food away from your family and friends cache shortening your/their time of survival?
 
Brian46 said:
gun battles are a reality in a permanent SHTF scenario, when you are sitting on paradise and you have these guys that bugged out and are running out of resources make it out to your slice of rural paradise someone or a group of someones are going to want what you have. You gonna just open your door and share with people you don't know anything about? take food away from your family and friends cache shortening your/their time of survival?
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Problem with such reality is that it's only in your head.
 
superlative said:
Yes, but if you read carefully: "more than a week after the flood". The advice most people give when surviving disaster is to move. You move you live, you stay you die. I don't doubt that crap like this happens, but if you're serious about protecting your family, you move with the herd, not stick around more than a week later. Anastasia wasn't being wise.

I don't doubt a firearm can be useful in self-defence, but I think it should be in context of moving with a group, not sticking around building a circle of wagons. People keep bringing up the outlying cases of Hurricane Katrina (of people who stuck around), but for the vast majority of people who just moved with the group and got out, they were unharmed. If you're serious about self preservation of yourself and your family, then it's just wise to go with the plan with the highest probability of success.
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Youre absolutely right, while the town is flooded you should swim around as much as possible. Its her fault she got raped right...:jerkit:
Yes, but if you read carefully: "more than a week after the flood".
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Just because the flooding peaked doesnt mean they were out of peril, how long did it take FEMA to get off their asses and help them?
 
consider a SKS.

its cheap.
Ammo is cheap(7.62x39)
The calibre can take down any Ontario Game, including the 2 legged kind.
And you can do it for under $500. So affordable you might want to keep one extra at the camp/cottage.
223 is a varmit calibre
 
Brian46 said:
gun battles are a reality in a permanent SHTF scenario, when you are sitting on paradise and you have these guys that bugged out and are running out of resources make it out to your slice of rural paradise someone or a group of someones are going to want what you have. You gonna just open your door and share with people you don't know anything about? take food away from your family and friends cache shortening your/their time of survival?
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The problem is you are going to be a in a fixed position. Probably without the man power to be sending out screening patrols, recces etc. You don't have to be a military genius to figure out this means trouble.

Basically if plan A is getting into a sustained gun fight with numerous assailants, you need to think up a plan B.
 
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