SHTF Rifle - Ideas

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Have you ever carried around 1000rds on your back for an extended period of time?
good luck getting a stress fracture sorted out in a SHTF scenario.

Ton of fitness gods on this forum...

Brian46 said:
why on my back? I ain't going anywhere unless it is a forced situation and even then I am still going to be driving
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Not to mention even if it was on your back, nothing wrong with that as long as its for a relatively short distance \ duration to a BOL or a safer place where it is cached. Heck, the forum has a big enough user base that there probably actually also are 'fitness gods' here.
 
To go back on topic, and reflecting on the advice to date: of my firearm collection I'd grab my Tavor and about 1000 rds.
 
I agree with enefgee for response times etc. I also live in Vic, and it really would be a SHTF situation if the big EQ came. Vancouver would be effed due to most of it being on the Fraser delta and the intense liquefaction that would occur during the earthquake (it magnifies the magnitude of the earthquake when the sediments are unconsolidated and water saturated) not to mention the elevation above sea level if a tsunami occurs due to slumping of deltaic sediments in the strait. The island would likely get the short end of the stick for EQ relief and it would likely take weeks for help to arrive in significant enough quantities. Disaster planning is a good idea no matter where you are, because who knows what the hell will happen.

Also, buy an sks. They are the ultimate SHTF firearm.
 
Nestor said:
Problem with such reality is that it's only in your head.
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what is a SHTF scenario in your mind then? A few days without power, bad weather, minor disruption at work doesn't cut it IMO. SHTF to me is Martial law and closed borders, not sure what you need a bug out kit for if you just gotta live of the land for a while and there is no civil unrest.
 
Bigdigs said:
Not to mention even if it was on your back, nothing wrong with that as long as its for a relatively short distance \ duration to a BOL or a safer place where it is cached. Heck, the forum has a big enough user base that there probably actually also are 'fitness gods' here.
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I absolutely agree with you on that. Short distances and caches, ####, bring 5000. I guess what I'm arguing here is if you've got to make a big move (long distance) and all you have are two feet and heart beat you are going to want to stay light and low profile.
 
Nestor said:
Ok. Good luck with that.
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why?

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I got tracked equipment too, but this allows me to hook to any trailer, food, fuel, etc as needed
 
If SHTF country wide, we would have had plenty of time to prepare, as this would be a massive breakdown of political stability on a global scale. This would not necessarily happen overnight, unless of course nukes start flying. So, there will be lots of time to watch as things fall apart. This is also the worst scenario for holding onto the guns you have, as it would give governments around the world time to begin confiscation, change laws, and threaten those with prison, who fail to comply.

There would have to be a number of REALLY BAD things happening all over, all at once, think Pakistan/India, Iran/Israel, Eastern Europe, US civil breakdown, a whole lot of dominoes have to fall all at the same time, to keep government resources (Police and Military) really busy, too busy to think about door to door confiscation, so not likely.

Not having a registry is a good thing, so pick up a nice sampling of NR and Restricted's, practice, stockpile ammo, get good, have plans and kit up as necessary. Based on recent history, just my .02, we will probably have to deal with local issues caused by extreme weather or massive failure of utilities, mostly stuff that will disrupt our lives for a short period of time, and in small pocket(s), I don't see anything happening on a national or even provincial scale, that there won't be LOTS of time to plan and deal with. I believe we have about three days of groceries in the supply chain, that is as long as the stores are open and willing/able to process transactions. Fuel, medicine, basic living supplies will all be scarce in short order, but it will probably be localized for the most part, think Hurricane, or flooding, power outage, NOT zombie apocalypse. I don't think we will have a real need any time soon for running gun battles, I think it will be more along the lines of needing to survive, stay fed and warm and safe for about a week... Great topic for discussion.

It's nice and warm in the Bunker!
 
driller212 said:
I agree with enefgee for response times etc. I also live in Vic, and it really would be a SHTF situation if the big EQ came. Vancouver would be effed due to most of it being on the Fraser delta and the intense liquefaction that would occur during the earthquake (it magnifies the magnitude of the earthquake when the sediments are unconsolidated and water saturated) not to mention the elevation above sea level if a tsunami occurs due to slumping of deltaic sediments in the strait. The island would likely get the short end of the stick for EQ relief and it would likely take weeks for help to arrive in significant enough quantities. Disaster planning is a good idea no matter where you are, because who knows what the hell will happen.

Also, buy an sks. They are the ultimate SHTF firearm.
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Really dude? yes bad stuff happens and you have a heavy outdated rifle with a 10 round magazine. The ar is pretty much as good as it gets. Well hk416 is my pick but still I firmly believe a bcm will be good enough to get the job done.
 
Dogcat said:
The problem is you are going to be a in a fixed position. Probably without the man power to be sending out screening patrols, recces etc. You don't have to be a military genius to figure out this means trouble.

Basically if plan A is getting into a sustained gun fight with numerous assailants, you need to think up a plan B.
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I am on the highest point in my area for a long distance, have heavy equipment on site available to clear a large sight plain in every direction and make any vehicle assault virtually impossible.
 
Dogcat said:
I absolutely agree with you on that. Short distances and caches, ####, bring 5000. I guess what I'm arguing here is if you've got to make a big move (long distance) and all you have are two feet and heart beat you are going to want to stay light and low profile.
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Agreed, Though I imagine most who envision leaving with 1,000+ are doing so with a mode of transport in mind other than their feet (or split between a large party). Of course if one tried to do so from the outset, kit can always be jettisoned enroute (bonus: impromptu cache!). Myself I would never even attempt to carry so much (not even close to) for an extended haul on foot, most especially when it would be taking the place of much more basic but valuable to survival items,.. I.e. We're talking about this in Canada,.. and its now December after all!
 
Good to have a few residences with fully stocked ammunition lockers as backup if you get caught with your pants down and have to make a quick escape from your primary
 
bacon1337 said:
Really dude? yes bad stuff happens and you have a heavy outdated rifle with a 10 round magazine. The ar is pretty much as good as it gets. Well hk416 is my pick but still I firmly believe a bcm will be good enough to get the job done.
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When your ar gets dirt in the action or burns off its lube and jams up don't come crying to me. If something breaks I hope you have parts available. I think a piston driven ar would be good. There are 30rd mags available for the sks by the way... It's all opinion, I go with what is tried and true for ultimate reliability.

Just my 0.02
 
Bigdigs said:
Agreed, Though I imagine most who envision leaving with 1,000+ are doing so with a mode of transport in mind other than their feet (or split between a large party). Of course if one tried to do so from the outset, kit can always be jettisoned enroute (bonus: impromptu cache!). Myself I would never even attempt to carry so much (not even close to) for an extended haul on foot, most especially when it would be taking the place of much more basic but valuable to survival items,.. I.e. were talking about this in Canada,.. and its now December after all!
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Heh, it might actually be easier in winter. Load up a sled or toboggan and drag it behind you. Not that I'd want to be out in the big cold, but if I had to I'd think a sled of some sort is pretty much mandatory to haul around all the junk you'd need to do more than meet the bare necessities of survival.

Tactical toboggan.

To get back to the issue of rifles. I'm essentially liking the idea of a single shot takedown more and more. I need to spend my money on other things like food and clothing, but I want to build a new gun so bad.
 
driller212 said:
When your ar gets dirt in the action or burns off its lube and jams up don't come crying to me. If something breaks I hope you have parts available. I think a piston driven ar would be good. There are 30rd mags available for the sks by the way... It's all opinion, I go with what is tried and true for ultimate reliability.

Just my 0.02
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wouldn't HK be the most reliable next to maybe an AK, but we can't have those.
 
Dogcat said:
Have you ever carried around 1000rds on your back for an extended period of time?
good luck getting a stress fracture sorted out in a SHTF scenario.

Ton of fitness gods on this forum...
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A 1000 round can of .223 weighs 30lbs on my bathroom scale, whats the problem here? A dismounted infantryman's ruck can weigh over 100 lbs, that sh!t gets humped. If contact is made release straps are pulled, ruck is dropped, retrieved afterwards (if possible). Too heavy? Bring your ammo, socks, trail mix, toothbrush. 40 lbs tops.
 
redbirddog said:
consider a SKS.

its cheap.
Ammo is cheap(7.62x39)
The calibre can take down any Ontario Game, including the 2 legged kind.
And you can do it for under $500. So affordable you might want to keep one extra at the camp/cottage.
223 is a varmit calibre
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You better let all the armies in the world using 5.56 NATO know that they are using a varmint cartridge. They must not know that the round isn't effective for anything larger than a coyote.
 
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