Bubba'ing milsurps - My head is spinning

Well people have attempted to poke fun brut my position hasn't changed because it plastic makes no difference and your right my time in the sandbox is nothing like having been in world war 2 but now your assuming that mil surp you own has actually seen combat
 
Here is another fine example of the CGN pile on. Lots of good gun owners disrespecting each other, name calling and bible quotes.

Can you guys please keep this on topic and play nice? We are all gun owners, get along or someone will legislate all your milsurps and bubbas into the smelter while you are fighting.

If we can't play nice it goes on the pile of locked up threads.
 
C77 said:
Here is another fine example of the CGN pile on. Lots of good gun owners disrespecting each other, name calling and bible quotes.

Can you guys please keep this on topic and play nice? We are all gun owners, get along or someone will legislate all your milsurps and bubbas into the smelter while you are fighting.

If we can't play nice it goes on the pile of locked up threads.
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It gets a bit tedious after awhile doesn't it?If we could re-direct the heat generated from a topic like this one we could collectively kick the asses of every anti in the country.
 
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Some topics generate more "heat" than others. We have more people interested in History, Historical Firearms, and related items today than any other past period in Canada. In a way that is good, because a lot more of our Past is being preserved. Boxes of letters, photographs, and even things like Uniforms, Firearms, and "bring back" momentos that used to go to the Dump upon the death of a Veteran, are now saved, catalogued, and recorded because of this awakened interest.

Unfortunately, because of severe flooding in the West, I also saw a lot of these things, soaked and ruined, and with no way of saving or restoring them, end up in the local landfill. They have been lost forever.

My main point was that there is a limited number of things. We can not preserve them all, but a lot of alternate things could be done. An original example of a rifle brings twice what a Sporterized version would bring on the EE, and there are many new collectors that would love to have one in their collection. Why butcher such a piece when there are lots of examples still available that have already been altered?

Things can disappear FAST. A couple of months ago the Canadian Government initiated the "rounding off" of prices to eliminate the Penny. Of the Millions or maybe Hundreds of Millions of Pennys minted, HOW MANY OF THEM HAVE YOU SEEN IN CIRCULATION LATELY?
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There are good points on both sides, but you can't convince the un-convincible.

You will all have a better chance of making your point if you lose the hyperbole and insults. You get more flies with honey than vinegar.

Calling a new shooter a bubba or a retard because he puts a mass produced refurbished Mosin into a plastic stock will not help him see the value of historical rifles from your point of view. That sort of thing even makes me want to get the dremel out.

I think a thread showing a great mislurp rifle range report or pictures of a detailed refurbishment will do more for your cause than the usual CGN pile on of anyone that doesn't shoot like you or I do. At the end of the day, not everyone will be attracted to collecting old rifles. The best you can do is preserve the ones you can and help new shooters to see what interest you in your chosen discipline.

I'm sure there are more than a few competition shooters or collectors that started off with an SKS and a Tapco stock.

The milsurp section is usually one of the friendlier forums. Please keep it that way.
 
CanadianAR said:
Here's the key to this debate.

No one is stopping anyone from doing anything they want to their property. Do whatever you want with it.
But as you say the vets also gave the op the right to ##### about it. Lol
No one has to like it.
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uh oh...no reasonable counter, as it's the very logic I have been repeating.

Brothers please rant,lament, and express your judgements as you see fit, and have a right to do so.

I wish to apologize wholeheartedly for suggesting such practices are unbecoming of the history being preserved. I retract all such ideals, and humbly put down my keyboard.
 
desporterizer said:
It IS just historical metal & wood. If current trends continue, the word milsurp will disappear for everyone but the very rich. Would it make sense to put a scope on a Napoleonic musket? Melt VC awards & cast cannon?
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Well, you know technically, that would be restoring the canon, since that's where the metal for the VC's came from in the first place.
 
Well, if it wasn't for bubba, I suspect spare parts would be much more difficult to find.

And in the end, in 20 years time I doubt anyone will pick up a chopped '43 Izhevskii rifle at a gun show and cry in their beer for the loss to posterity of a "fine" rifle that came into Canada slopped with black paint and looking like a 5 year old slathered red varnish on the wood and then set it on fire after mixing up parts and sanding the stock and much of the metal on a belt, destroying the bulk of its originality to begin with.

Grab the good ones to preserve, if your conscience demands, and let the boys have fun with the beaters. That's the life cycle of a milsurp, and it will always be.
 
I'm all for changing the stock out on an SKS, but that's about as far as I've gone to bubba'ing any of my milsurps. I haven't done anything irreversible to my milsurps, but I would say that it falls within the realm of being tasteful. If you're adding a muzzle break or a scope mount, it's your gun so it's your choice. But if you're painting a hex bolt Nagant pink with Hello Kitty on the paddle of the stock, that would be distasteful.
 
flying pig said:
Yes and no. I believe the soldiers who carried them had they right because they earned that freedom through their own sacrifice and through the acknowledgement of their sacrifice it is our duty to preserve their history. I think those who now butcher that history have the least respect for it or even indifference or they would hold these pieces on higher regard than as just wood and metal.

Whether it be web gear, small arms, helmets, medals, or history books the truth is that we all owe those people more than any of us can give them. We cannot give them their lives, their friends lives or lost years back. We can't take their pain and torment away. All we can do is keep the promise never to forget all that they have done for us and not take what they earned and preserved for us for granted.

We owe it to them to do whatever we can to make sure there are objects around that we can share with future generations that can help to put their sacrifice into perspective. It's very hard to try to imagine what they went through. I could not imagine losing four or five or a dozen of my closest friends(and really the only people who matter to me as I've been gone from home by now for a year or two) in the most painful way possible in a single day or week or even over the course of a year in combat. Add in the fact that you are insanely tired and never get to sleep and when you do it's in a cold dirty and often wet hole in the ground, hardly ever get a decent warm meal, and are constantly harassed by loud noises, shelling, strafing etc. There is just no way any of us who haven't made that sacrifice can ever know.

It's honestly my opinion that a LOT of people take a lot of things in life for granted and feel like something is owed to them. Yes you have the right to choose, but the means with which we were given that right means that we have an obligation to remember, preserve and never repeat the history that they symbolize. The men and women who sacrificed so much are leaving this world more and more every day and it's now our turn to do our part. These rifles, if taken care of, will still be a reminder of that sacrifice generations down the line. If treated as wood and steel, or our 'property', they will also be lost to time.
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Well said.... I look at the old rifles I have and wish they could tell me thier stories. Researching stampings and markings gives some of it, But I wonder about the people that carried them. I couldnt bring myself to alter them. The more history I read, the more respect I have for these rifles.
 
flying pig said:
Yes and no. I believe the soldiers who carried them had they right because they earned that freedom through their own sacrifice and through the acknowledgement of their sacrifice it is our duty to preserve their history. I think those who now butcher that history have the least respect for it or even indifference or they would hold these pieces on higher regard than as just wood and metal.

Whether it be web gear, small arms, helmets, medals, or history books the truth is that we all owe those people more than any of us can give them. We cannot give them their lives, their friends lives or lost years back. We can't take their pain and torment away. All we can do is keep the promise never to forget all that they have done for us and not take what they earned and preserved for us for granted.

We owe it to them to do whatever we can to make sure there are objects around that we can share with future generations that can help to put their sacrifice into perspective. It's very hard to try to imagine what they went through. I could not imagine losing four or five or a dozen of my closest friends(and really the only people who matter to me as I've been gone from home by now for a year or two) in the most painful way possible in a single day or week or even over the course of a year in combat. Add in the fact that you are insanely tired and never get to sleep and when you do it's in a cold dirty and often wet hole in the ground, hardly ever get a decent warm meal, and are constantly harassed by loud noises, shelling, strafing etc. There is just no way any of us who haven't made that sacrifice can ever know.

It's honestly my opinion that a LOT of people take a lot of things in life for granted and feel like something is owed to them. Yes you have the right to choose, but the means with which we were given that right means that we have an obligation to remember, preserve and never repeat the history that they symbolize. The men and women who sacrificed so much are leaving this world more and more every day and it's now our turn to do our part. These rifles, if taken care of, will still be a reminder of that sacrifice generations down the line. If treated as wood and steel, or our 'property', they will also be lost to time.
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Amen, brother.
 
love posts by Janice...hope my girl loves this history as much as I do. She can take down a Mosin....and knows where to look for cracks in an Enfield stock......not bad for a super girly 7yr old
 
I have a mauser model 1896 broomhandle that I got with a crate of guns that I imported from the Middle East many years ago. The metal and markings are exc, but it has no finish and the grips have a few small chips. I wouldn't blue it because it has the map of the Middle East all over it. German proof marks, British proof marks, Turkish proof marks, and Israeli proof marks. I also
have some other guns from there with various proof marks. All of them were in crate's and stored in the desert as captured war material.
 
The way I look at bubba is he supplies us real firearms enthusiasts with a never ending supply of spare parts. How else would you look at such a person who would deface such classic works of steel and wood. :puke: stirthepot2 That's my 2 cents.
 
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