thanks for the response sharp's 63, as for redbearded1 and brutus you guys didn't answer my posts and then get defensive for no reason. the point of forums is to share each others views and experiences and keep the conversation going. I offered real world experiences and both of you had no positive response to it. This will be my last post on canadian gun nutz as I can see some people on this site have poor attitudes just like the people i deal with in my day to day life and people i have dealt with on other forums. I don't need to waste anymore tie here.
Concealed weapon or not: The bush and animal protection
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Some had best remember that internecine squabbles play into the hands of the enemy. We need EVERY gun owner to prevail. Driving away subscribers is counter productive. While we are pissing around with our little ego trips and squabbles, the noose is ever tightening.
In case some of you haven't noticed, you 'own' your guns at the suffrage of a government for as long as they want you to have them, and so long as they fit the description of what they think you should be allowed to have. The recent spate of interest in owning over priced 'antiques' is an expression of fear, a desire to among the last to be eaten by the crocodiles.
If we don't get our collective sh!t together, we may well be the last Canadians to own the guns we are currently allowed - 'antique' or otherwise. High River was a warning, the handwriting on the wall. The 'Prime Directive' being civil disarmament; one gun, one gun owner at a time. The disasters at Slave Lake and High River being an example of it in real time, whereby thousands of guns and their ammunition were 'taken off the streets' in the name of peace, order and good government.
This begs the question - who's next? "Ask not for whom the bell tolls - it tolls for thee." John Donne
If this is a little too 'over-the-top' for you, that's part of the problem.
In case some of you haven't noticed, you 'own' your guns at the suffrage of a government for as long as they want you to have them, and so long as they fit the description of what they think you should be allowed to have. The recent spate of interest in owning over priced 'antiques' is an expression of fear, a desire to among the last to be eaten by the crocodiles.
If we don't get our collective sh!t together, we may well be the last Canadians to own the guns we are currently allowed - 'antique' or otherwise. High River was a warning, the handwriting on the wall. The 'Prime Directive' being civil disarmament; one gun, one gun owner at a time. The disasters at Slave Lake and High River being an example of it in real time, whereby thousands of guns and their ammunition were 'taken off the streets' in the name of peace, order and good government.
This begs the question - who's next? "Ask not for whom the bell tolls - it tolls for thee." John Donne
If this is a little too 'over-the-top' for you, that's part of the problem.
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Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
Gee whiz! I would suggest we did answer your post via quoting you, while highlighting your words that we or myself had issue with. Your next responce is to ignore us then stomp out of the house when you were confronted with some words of truth. I suggest your skin appears a tad bit thin for internet debates. Your own second last sentence alludes to this fact.
Have a nice day now.
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Being it is friday,my answer may be a bit off base. Recurve60. you have to read between the lines on some of
the posts on these forums.We are not telling you can't have a gun in the bush,BUT, you need to be aware that
there are those who would take OUR posts out of context.Meaning they will twist it to their own means to
further their own means.
I in a way I support Sharps theory's on keeping a low profile,But I feel it is in OUR best interest to educate those
that we come across instead of hiding behind trees in fear of being seen with a firearm.
But,back to the Friday night drunk thread.
the posts on these forums.We are not telling you can't have a gun in the bush,BUT, you need to be aware that
there are those who would take OUR posts out of context.Meaning they will twist it to their own means to
further their own means.
I in a way I support Sharps theory's on keeping a low profile,But I feel it is in OUR best interest to educate those
that we come across instead of hiding behind trees in fear of being seen with a firearm.
But,back to the Friday night drunk thread.
Burp.
I'll drink to that!.
Is CGN not where many of us hang out for a friendly social evening's semi-sarcastic harangue?. LoL!
Discrete, non confrontational, shoulder strap holstered bush carry ... has been working well for some time now. I'll carry on this way with fingers crossed.
I'm not for keeping a low profile. I believe in carrying the fight to the enemy. Having said that, discretion is always the better part of valour. If you go around inviting trouble, you will find it, or it will find you.
If anyone wishes to pack iron in the boonies (modern or 'antique'), more power to him. He had just better prepare for the consequences if he runs afoul of an angry bear or a LEO who knows nothing about 'antique' guns. A scenario I've described before is that of someone lawfully shooting his 'antique' in the boonies to be seen by a left wing nut who makes a 'man-with-a-gun' call on a cell phone. You then find yourself face down in the dirt as you 'splain to a couple of LEO's with drawn guns that you aren't breaking the law.
It will eventually be sorted out, hopefully before it winds up in court, where it will require the services of a lawyer. We are at a time on our history when your guns can be seized if you refuse to allow a 'smart meter' to be installed, with no threat being made or implied. This has happened to a friend of mine, a retired detective of VPD. Not only were his guns seized, he had a 5 year ban imposed. He is in his mid-80's, so basically, his guns are gone for good.
ANY excuse is deemed sufficient to warrant such seizures and bans. It has taken some a long time to wake up to the current reality, but it's gratifying to see it happening. The ground swell of anger and indignation has been a long time generating. We are at either a turning point or a tipping point, depending upon your point of view. This is one of the good things to come out of the High River incident. In her book "101 Things To Do Before The Revolution", author Claire Wolfe states:
"We (the US) are at that awkward point where it may be too late work for change within the system, and it's too early to shoot the bastards." I know many Americans who have strong feelings about this and they will "... rage, rage against the dying of the light", if I may wax poetic.
As we go forward, I see the same reality for us as we argue amongst ourselves over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. However, since we don't shoot or leaders and haven't fought a civil war, our national characteristics of acquiescence and compliance will come to the fore and private ownership of firearms will simply cease to be part of the fabric of our society.
Why? Because we didn't care enough to do anything about and instead chose to fight amongst ourselves like children in the sand box.
If anyone wishes to pack iron in the boonies (modern or 'antique'), more power to him. He had just better prepare for the consequences if he runs afoul of an angry bear or a LEO who knows nothing about 'antique' guns. A scenario I've described before is that of someone lawfully shooting his 'antique' in the boonies to be seen by a left wing nut who makes a 'man-with-a-gun' call on a cell phone. You then find yourself face down in the dirt as you 'splain to a couple of LEO's with drawn guns that you aren't breaking the law.
It will eventually be sorted out, hopefully before it winds up in court, where it will require the services of a lawyer. We are at a time on our history when your guns can be seized if you refuse to allow a 'smart meter' to be installed, with no threat being made or implied. This has happened to a friend of mine, a retired detective of VPD. Not only were his guns seized, he had a 5 year ban imposed. He is in his mid-80's, so basically, his guns are gone for good.
ANY excuse is deemed sufficient to warrant such seizures and bans. It has taken some a long time to wake up to the current reality, but it's gratifying to see it happening. The ground swell of anger and indignation has been a long time generating. We are at either a turning point or a tipping point, depending upon your point of view. This is one of the good things to come out of the High River incident. In her book "101 Things To Do Before The Revolution", author Claire Wolfe states:
"We (the US) are at that awkward point where it may be too late work for change within the system, and it's too early to shoot the bastards." I know many Americans who have strong feelings about this and they will "... rage, rage against the dying of the light", if I may wax poetic.
As we go forward, I see the same reality for us as we argue amongst ourselves over how many angels can dance on the head of a pin. However, since we don't shoot or leaders and haven't fought a civil war, our national characteristics of acquiescence and compliance will come to the fore and private ownership of firearms will simply cease to be part of the fabric of our society.
Why? Because we didn't care enough to do anything about and instead chose to fight amongst ourselves like children in the sand box.
While many here will take this thread as the Gospel, It is merely a guide line to OUR
interpretation of things that MAY happen. An ounce of prevention will go a long way.
But education of those you politely come across in the bush will further the cause
than letters to MP's "sometimes".
I think that calm persons interacting with the public in a positive manner do better for
our cause than news paper articles.
interpretation of things that MAY happen. An ounce of prevention will go a long way.
But education of those you politely come across in the bush will further the cause
than letters to MP's "sometimes".
I think that calm persons interacting with the public in a positive manner do better for
our cause than news paper articles.
I am afraid I did start a bit early, about noon today. No damn snow to clear,and sweet F all to do today!
Good for you! Be sure to let us know how it turns out. Should make a great test case and might set a precedent.
Brutus
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
let me get that horse for you brutus.
lol!
It will happen one day,whether it be me or another person,only time will tell, so keep your
head in the sand and we will let you know.
THE SKY IS FALLING! THE SKY IS FALLING! DIDN'T YOU HEAR WHAT I SAID!? I SAID THE SKY IS...oh, nevermind. Is there peanutbutter in that sandwich?In regards to your 80 year old friend; I'm sure that he didn't tell the guy {who was only doing his job installing a smartmeter} to "get the F#%K off the property before he get's shot" or anything of that "ILK"?
Responsible firearms ownership requires the owner (us) to keep his/er sh1t very tight, this concept applies to any Country's laws not just Canada. People who don't have their sh1t tight are soft in the head, people who are soft in the head have no business looking down the sights of a gun...that's how the rest of us get hurt, it's a universal truth. So you can "take the fight to the enemy" or storm the goddamn Bastille for all I care, you'll do it alone but fill yer boots all the same. I'll read about it in the funnies.
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Sharps.
Re: legal antique open carry in the bush, which is it that you advocate?. Discrete, or carry fight to enemy?.
"the consequences if he runs afoul of an angry bear"
... which has in fact happened to me while carrying.
The antique never did need firing, perhaps because the bear sensed the resolve that revolver in hand bestowed in it's owner. Chased him off with a tossed piece of firewood and some crude insults to his parentage. Who knows why a bear does what he does?, however, the sleeping children in camp did stay healthy that day.
LEO are unlikely to ever venture that deep off road without a good reason, and I allow myself the level of bush-savvy to first see and then avoid any contact with left wing nut cell phoner's and their do-gooder politics.
"Why?"
The best answer to that is, there are now two more responsible antique carriers in my circle of friends. Two more to do battle for all of us and our rights.
It seems to me that most of the arguments pro/con are brought forward by educated
members, well spoken, clear and to the point (s).
Me.........." I dont talk so good".
We all have a fire in our bellies, I enjoy the show from my Lazyboy, some get involved and
do something about it. This thread proves it.
I may never be able to contribute anything to this subject, but I will fight to my death
to protect our right to fight within the system to make the changes necessary.
I'm the guy you dont want to scare away with petty arguments. There are many members out there
that can help, even if only financially. Present a good case, attract the less educated masses.
You ALL contribute ideas to this thread bad/good/useless (in my case) but the heart
is in the right place. I happen to see this thread as a step forward, a dim light at the end of the tunnel.
Please continue, I'm with you in spirit and wallet.
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Rather than see a test case centring on someone getting busted by an uninformed LEO for packing and using an 'antique' in the boonies, I'd rather it be one where said gun was used in an urban environment against some creep intent on smashing in the head of a fifty year old hockey Mom.
In the case of the VPD detective I mentioned, he requested the meter installers to leave and called for a police presence to witness him asking them to leave. A cop arrived, spoke to the contractors but didn't speak to the caller. The next day, three cops arrived with a warrant and confiscated his guns. Check it out on Sun News and on the Canadian Firearms Digest.
The guy thought nothing of it and did not have a lawyer when he went to court. He had been a fraud investigator and thought he knew how the system worked. That was before the implementation of the Prime Directive, and now things have changed.
I think it's apparent whose head is in the sand on this topic. Some obviously think that the government and the police are the friends of Canadian gun owners. I've been active in the fight since Ron Basford was PET's Minister of Justice and we've been losing guns steadily ever since.
Very few Canadians are 'registered', required to inform the government when they move - convicted pedophiles and gun owners. Of the two, gun owners face a greater penalty for failing to comply. Some may find this acceptable, I do not. Nor do I find acceptable ANY of the impositions and restrictions imposed on gun owners. We are a 'soft' target, the focus of the anti-gun agenda of successive governments, regardless of their political stripe.
In the case of the VPD detective I mentioned, he requested the meter installers to leave and called for a police presence to witness him asking them to leave. A cop arrived, spoke to the contractors but didn't speak to the caller. The next day, three cops arrived with a warrant and confiscated his guns. Check it out on Sun News and on the Canadian Firearms Digest.
The guy thought nothing of it and did not have a lawyer when he went to court. He had been a fraud investigator and thought he knew how the system worked. That was before the implementation of the Prime Directive, and now things have changed.
I think it's apparent whose head is in the sand on this topic. Some obviously think that the government and the police are the friends of Canadian gun owners. I've been active in the fight since Ron Basford was PET's Minister of Justice and we've been losing guns steadily ever since.
Very few Canadians are 'registered', required to inform the government when they move - convicted pedophiles and gun owners. Of the two, gun owners face a greater penalty for failing to comply. Some may find this acceptable, I do not. Nor do I find acceptable ANY of the impositions and restrictions imposed on gun owners. We are a 'soft' target, the focus of the anti-gun agenda of successive governments, regardless of their political stripe.
