Concealed weapon or not: The bush and animal protection

Discretion is not limited to antiques, but all legal firearms. People with short barreled shotty's have had them seized, same with CZ's, mare's leg will be next. There was a chap in Calgary who was arrested and kicked in the face for legal use of a shotgun after being reported to the police. If you are not discrete, you open yourself up to being mistaken for breaking the law, whether you are breaking the law or not. Antique handguns or pellet pistols have an even lower threshold for a complaint as most people and LEO's don't think any handgun is legal.
Some will say that exercising your rights is the way to go, trouble is, we have no recognized right to ownership and enough waste of police and CO time will result in legislative changes to make things illegal for no real reason other than the people not being discreet. Be smart, be discreet and responsible when you are shooting any firearm or you risk hurting the whole firearms community.
 
Thank you Southlander, for your low key, logical, non-ranting, non-condescending, common sense summation.

Chasing our own tails around this issue is pathetically comical at a time when it is a crime to merely being a gun owner, akin to picking fly sh!t out of pepper when the meal is being stolen from under our noses.
When you realize that 80% of the homes violated in High River were NOT the homes of gun owners, we see just how far Big Brother will go in pursuing the 'Prime Directive' - civil disarmament by any means, to include natural disasters.
Whether or not the RCMP had access to the allegedly scrapped LGR data is moot when they were leaving no door unbashed in their zeal, backed up by the CAF who kept citizens out of the targeted areas.

We can snipe at each other ad nauseam about who's doing what and what is legal in what province, but I submit that we are at a time on our history when we have much more important issues to be concerned with. ALL of our guns are at risk. "Antiques" may be the last to go, but go they will eventually, along with the 12(6) prohibs and other such classes.

I invite all concerned to subscribe to the Canadian Firearms Digest for a broader perspective on the issue beyond our personal preferences and prejudices. The Digest posts a broad range of items from many documented sources and keeps subscribers well informed. Ranting, name calling and insults are not tolerated. It is the domain of the more erudite and scholarly people who are leading the fight for all of us.
 
Zircarg said:
Provinces are sovereign with each having direct representation of Her Majesty by lieutenant Governors. Therefore provinces administer most of the Crown land within their boundaries, not the federal Crown. In NS, the Minister of Natural Resources 'administers' (read controls) this land on behalf of the provincial Crown. We effectively have 11 Crowns in Canada - one federal and 10 provincial. Swiped this from Wikipedia:

'Though the Canadian monarch owns all Crown Land in the country, paralleling the "division" of the Crown amongst the federal and provincial governments, Crown Land is similarly divided so that some lands within the province are administered by the provincial Crown, whereas others are under the federal Crown. About 89% of Canada's land area (8,886,356 km²) is Crown Land, which may either be federal (41%) or provincial (48%); the remaining 11% is privately owned.[7]

Most federal Crown land is in the Canadian territories (Northwest Territories, Nunavut and Yukon), and is administered by Aboriginal Affairs and Northern Development Canada. Only 4% of land in the provinces is federally controlled, largely in the form of National Parks, Indian reserves, or Canadian Forces bases. In contrast, provinces hold much of their territory as provincial Crown Land, which may be held as Provincial Parks or wilderness.'
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I do believe I have been corrected! {although the MNR can still "f@%k right off!" ;)} How does one find out whether the "Crown" Land near their proximity is under the stewardship:rolleyes: of Federal or Provincial authorities? {need to know, so if the opportunity presents itself I can tell the Yoggi to...well, you get the idea:)}
 
plinker 777 said:
I do believe I have been corrected! {although the MNR can still "f@%k right off!" ;)} How does one find out whether the "Crown" Land near their proximity is under the stewardship:rolleyes: of Federal or Provincial authorities? {need to know, so if the opportunity presents itself I can tell the Yoggi to...well, you get the idea:)}
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It is all Provincial except those lands specifically under Federal jurisdiction, such as I.R.s; certain airfields; Department of National Defence lands; some ports; and a handful of other exceptions. Look at any given NTS map to see the I.R.s; and in the absence of that, the area is (typically - well in BC anyway) marked as such. Rule of thumb is the area is Provincial, in the absence of any other indication to the contrary.
 
plinker 777 said:
I do believe I have been corrected! {although the MNR can still "f@%k right off!" ;)} How does one find out whether the "Crown" Land near their proximity is under the stewardship:rolleyes: of Federal or Provincial authorities? {need to know, so if the opportunity presents itself I can tell the Yoggi to...well, you get the idea:)}
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Short answer is it is always under their stewardship.

Just like a cop from Montreal can arrest someone for murder in Vancouver, he cant write speeding tickets but hes still a peace officer under the criminal code.

“peace officer”

“peace officer” includes

(a) a mayor, warden, reeve, sheriff, deputy sheriff, sheriff’s officer and justice of the peace,

(b) a member of the Correctional Service of Canada who is designated as a peace officer pursuant to Part I of the Corrections and Conditional Release Act, and a warden, deputy warden, instructor, keeper, jailer, guard and any other officer or permanent employee of a prison other than a penitentiary as defined in Part I of the Corrections and Conditional Release Act,

(c) a police officer, police constable, bailiff, constable, or other person employed for the preservation and maintenance of the public peace or for the service or execution of civil process,

(c.1) a designated officer as defined in section 2 of the Integrated Cross-border Law Enforcement Operations Act, when

(i) participating in an integrated cross-border operation, as defined in section 2 of that Act, or
(ii) engaging in an activity incidental to such an operation, including travel for the purpose of participating in the operation and appearances in court arising from the operation,
(d) an officer within the meaning of the Customs Act, the Excise Act or the Excise Act, 2001, or a person having the powers of such an officer, when performing any duty in the administration of any of those Acts,
(d.1) an officer authorized under subsection 138(1) of the Immigration and Refugee Protection Act,
(e) a person designated as a fishery guardian under the Fisheries Act when performing any duties or functions under that Act and a person designated as a fishery officer under the Fisheries Act when performing any duties or functions under that Act or the Coastal Fisheries Protection Act,

(f) the pilot in command of an aircraft
(i) registered in Canada under regulations made under the Aeronautics Act, or
(ii) leased without crew and operated by a person who is qualified under regulations made under the Aeronautics Act to be registered as owner of an aircraft registered in Canada under those regulations,

while the aircraft is in flight, and

(g) officers and non-commissioned members of the Canadian Forces who are
(i) appointed for the purposes of section 156 of the National Defence Act, or
(ii) employed on duties that the Governor in Council, in regulations made under the National Defence Act for the purposes of this paragraph, has prescribed to be of such a kind as to necessitate that the officers and non-commissioned members performing them have the powers of peace officers;
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http://laws-lois.justice.gc.ca/eng/...ls+official+officers+officer+office+peace#s-2.

Any of those people can enforce federal law. So your whole telling him to #### right off fantasy is never going to happen

Shawn
 
So what provinces permit do/do not permit shooting (be it NR and ant) on Crown Land (CL) outside of hunting season ie without a permit?

A bit of google-fu seems to indicate Alberta and BC are ok to shoot out of season on CL without getting some permit or ATT type thingy
 
Meanwhile, back in bear country .....

Have a look at this (if the link works) and tell me if you think you'd be adequately armed to take on this bruin with an "antique". Even Momma Moose thought better of it, and there isn't much a moose backs down from.
My Shepherd/Husky cross got real brave when she spotted a moose cow and her calf on one of our daily walks. She gave chase until Momma stood her ground. The dog set a land speed record getting behind me!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QDEW.nig844
 
So you are saying no gun? I did bother with the link just yet. As we have said
so far on this thread, it is better to have something than nothing at all, hey.
It is better than waving your fist in the air, it is called having a fighting chance
against the wild life and other things,good or bad,I'd rather have what you call
an under powered antique than a can opener..
 
Sharps '63 said:
Have a look at this (if the link works) and tell me if you think you'd be adequately armed to take on this bruin with an "antique".
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A 45 Schofield pistol on the belt is worth an entire case of 458 Winchester Magnum rifles in the tent 10 yards away when a bear walks into camp and straight toward one of the children. A 45 Schofield pistol on the belt is worth three 416 Rem Mag rifles resting against the tree just 30 feet away when a cougar jumps on you from behind just as you are laying the fly line down across a nice pool. Anyone who spends a lot of time in the bush, as I do with my family, can't be carrying a rifle around all day long in one hand. When faced with the choice of either waving my #### in the face of a bear or cougar, or pointing a 45 Schofield in the face of a bear or cougar, I'll take the 45 Schofield. If I ever have a Grizz decide to rip me up, if given the choice of either sticking my #### in the eye of the Grizzley or sticking the muzzle of a 45 Schofield pistol in the eye of the grizzly and pulling the trigger, I'll take the 45 Schofield-in-the-Grizz's-eyeball-and-pull-the-trigger option.
 
Win 38-55 said:
A 45 Schofield pistol on the belt is worth an entire case of 458 Winchester Magnum rifles in the tent 10 yards away when a bear walks into camp and straight toward one of the children. A 45 Schofield pistol on the belt is worth three 416 Rem Mag rifles resting against the tree just 30 feet away when a cougar jumps on you from behind just as you are laying the fly line down across a nice pool. Anyone who spends a lot of time in the bush, as I do with my family, can't be carrying a rifle around all day long in one hand. When faced with the choice of either waving my #### in the face of a bear or cougar, or pointing a 45 Schofield in the face of a bear or cougar, I'll take the 45 Schofield. If I ever have a Grizz decide to rip me up, if given the choice of either sticking my #### in the eye of the Grizzley or sticking the muzzle of a 45 Schofield pistol in the eye of the grizzly and pulling the trigger, I'll take the 45 Schofield-in-the-Grizz's-eyeball-and-pull-the-trigger option.
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Sadly, some people are brainwashed into thinking that their ##### inserted into the ear hole of a wiley Grizz will be sufficient protection!!
Unfortunately, I don't own a high powered antique pistol, buy my little Swiss Ordnance revolver throws 6 rounds of 100 grain lead wadcutters up to 900 fps with deadly accuracy. That would ruin any bruins day that get's within arms reach of me or my family.
 
A 45 Schofield pistol on the belt is worth an entire case of 458 Winchester Magnum rifles in the tent 10 yards away
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A 45 Schofield pistol on the belt is worth three 416 Rem Mag rifles resting against the tree just 30 feet away
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sticking my #### in the eye of the Grizzley or sticking the muzzle of a 45 Schofield pistol in the eye
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I'm on that same page 38-55 ^.
50 years of bush cruising behind this 'ol goat has taught a hard lesson ... twice over:
... Rarely, will a mortal threat ever actually come to pass, but when it does (and it has) ... it'll come on so fast, and be so "out of the blue", as to make your head spin and anus leak.
That long gun is re-assuring to have around camp. However, it more than likely will not be available to one's hand when that same fellow runs plumb out of time to react.
No "time out's" out there in the real world.

.44 special 240gr swc @775fps, IS worlds better than ... "sticking my #### in the eye of the Grizzley"
 
Regretably the link doesn't work, but I'm sure you could google it and several related videos.

When you see a black bear waltz off with a yearling calf moose in it's jaws, it is quite an eye opener. The only guy I know that has been in a brouhaha with a bear and his two dogs said it was like a scene out of a cartoon - fur, teeth and paws flailing like a windmill. He said that if he HAD a gun, he wouldn't have been willing to shoot into the melee for fear of hitting a dog.

So, in a scenario where it's a child being carted off or chewed on by a bear, you're going to start pumping under powered rounds from an 'antique' into the mix. Very noble.

"Sticking a .45 Schofield in the eye of a grizzly" huh? Have you ever seen a grizzly (or a large black bear) in the wild? If it charges, you are going to knocked ass over tea kettle with bear on top of you or hit so f_____g hard with a paw swipe you're going to be disembowelled.

Drawing your pea shooter will impossible, rendering it as effective as sticking your #### in it's eye. What other grandiose delusions do you suffer with? Have someone who weighs 250 lbs (a small black bear) tackle you or take a really hard punch at you, knocking you down while wearing your gun.

Let us know how it turns out.
 
Win 38-55 said:
If I ever have a Grizz decide to rip me up, if given the choice of either sticking my #### in the eye of the Grizzley
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That made me laugh hard enough (in the good sense) to spawn a meme...

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Sharps,do you work for the CFO? At close range, most calibers will cause severe damage to animals.
Also, did the moose calf have a gun? Maybe that is why it is dead.
 
Let us know how it turns out.
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Already been there Sharps.
Have you?.
By all means, whip out yer #### 'n wave it about in a threatening manner. Perhaps accompanied by a solid <'with fly wide open'>:redface: uppercut to the lower mandible? ... :p

Drawing your pea shooter will impossible
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Perhaps so. Perhaps not. Each and every confrontation will play out in it's own circumstances.
I'll pack for the worst and hope for the best.
 
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shawn said:
Nah,

I am just too cheap to pony up for the donate to plinker 777's legal fees for assaulting a peace officer donation thread :cheers: :cool:

Shawn
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Ha! No fear of that happening. I'm not the violent sort, I just have a habit of telling those in "authority" to pull their heads out of their a$$es when the opportunity presents itself;)

Re: the whole #### in the eye thing...is it weird of me to think of "American Pie"!? lol.
 
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