SR22 Rifle Questions

Any official documentation from the RCMP about the BX25 x2 are OK to use in Canada?

I've contacted 2 dealers already (one is IRUNGUNS) and they told me that they have a bunch of these mags in their Alberta warehouse that they cannot sell because the RCMP said so unless they are pinned to 10 rounds.

Will be really happy if they are now OK to use in Canada without getting in trouble from the RCMP and will order a few for sure.

Please confirm.



gcdavidson said:
Hical had them a few eeks back, not sure if they are still in stock. The BX-25x2 is OK to have in Canada.
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I don't know the complete answer but there is mention of the BX25 here:

ht tp://www.rcmp-grc.gc.ca/cfp-pcaf/bulletins/bus-ent/20110323-72-eng.htm

I don't think the RCMP usually lists things that are not prohibited, only things that are. (afaik)

So, you probably won't find a mention about the BX25x2 or BX50 from the RCMP as it is a completely different magazine mold,
and it is not "designed and manufactured for use" in any handgun.

For now anyways... perhaps they are planing on prohibiting them...?
 
SR-22 Build (Complete)

SR-22 Build Parts List (Includes Shipping + Taxes):

$665 - Ruger SR-22RSC
$247 - Dlask 10.5 Inch Threaded Contour Sporter 10/22 Barrel
$92 - Kineti-Tech Plain Base Nut Back Barrel Shroud (Part# TB11 - 6-1/2" Length) w/ DD Style shroud front cap (Part# cap15)
$55 - 4" Ultimate Arms Gear hand guard
$75 - DOUBLE STAR - AR-15 ARFX SKELETON STOCK (Part# ARFX)
$30 - HIGH STANDARD - AR-L94-61574 A2 RECEIVER EXTENSION TUBE
$45 - VOLQUARTSEN - 10/22 DROP-IN HAMMER (Part# VC10TH)
$15 - VOLQUARTSEN - 10/22 EXACT EDGE EXTRACTOR (Part# VC10EE)
$50 - KIDD Cocking Assembly (KID-CA-BLACK)
$15 - KIDD Bolt Hold Open (KID-BHO)
$10 - KIDD Bolt Tuffer Buffer
$35 - Nordic Magazine Speed Release Lever for 10/22 (Part #RUG-MR-22-00-1 Black) IET Model #199 (not shown, back ordered)
$13 - AR-Pistol Grip Plug (Black) - IET Model #116
$83 - Original S.O.E. Single Point Sling (PArt# SLING1) with 550 + HK Style Adapters, not shown, backordered
$250 - Vortex SPARC Red-Dot
$140 - (3) HC3R 10/22 25RD MAG W STRIP CLP (Part# HC3R)

As Pictured: $1820

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Range Issues

So got to the range yesterday and sighted in both rifles, I ran out of time so back there tonight to run em' for a few hours.

Initial impressions were very positive, despite the issues I had.

1) SR-22 fails to cycle. Every shot is a failure to eject, failure to feed, or a stovepipe. Currently I have the KIDD charging handle regular (medium) spring installed, I believe this may be an issue resulting from the shorter barrel, but additionally half way through the cycle on a manual pull of the charging handle it seems to stick or maybe even bind ever so slightly. The KIDD cocking handle comes with 3 springs, one lighter and one stronger than the current medium one installed.

Thoughts?

2) Battledyne Mags seem to sit to high in the magwell of the NEA AR22 (ruger 10/22). Additionally they are quite loose side to side with a fair amount of play. So far I haven't been able to run them consistently in either rifle due to this.

Thoughts on how to adapt the mags to fit tighter and maybe a little lower? Gaffer's Tape Maybe? (not positive height is actually the issue, just speculation)

The good news is they both function very well with the ruger factory mags (apart from the cycling issues with the SR-22 shorter 10 inch barrel), and the HC3R mags seem to run well in the NEA AR-22, though they are intended for the SR-22
 
LM:
1) SR22: I don't think the shorter barrel is an issue, at all. I pulled off my stock barrel and stuck on an 8" barrel on an otherwise stock gun and it functioned flawlessly. Step one is that I would test only with Ruger 10 round mag. Once the rifle is running perfectly, and only then, change to the H3CR mags. Do you have the stock Ruger components, to try? Were you running it very wet (with lots of lubricant)? Did you try a variety of ammo? Try the hottest ammo first, (i.e.: stinger, mini mag, etc)....more later, have to go to work.
 
Tom E Gun said:
LM:
1) SR22: I don't think the shorter barrel is an issue, at all. I pulled off my stock barrel and stuck on an 8" barrel on an otherwise stock gun and it functioned flawlessly. Step one is that I would test only with Ruger 10 round mag. Once the rifle is running perfectly, and only then, change to the H3CR mags. Do you have the stock Ruger components, to try? Were you running it very wet (with lots of lubricant)? Did you try a variety of ammo? Try the hottest ammo first, (i.e.: stinger, mini mag, etc)....more later, have to go to work.
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I clean all my guns with Ballistol and wipe all the excess away, then a finger dab of the same on the top of the bolt and that's about it for lube.

I was having issues cycling fed bulk, even in the factory ruger 10 rd mags, I will try changing the spring to a stronger one and then the lesser if that fails, and will have to go buy some different ammo if time permits.

Any other suggestions are welcome
 
LeadMonkey said:
I clean all my guns with Ballistol and wipe all the excess away, then a finger dab of the same on the top of the bolt and that's about it for lube.

I was having issues cycling fed bulk, even in the factory ruger 10 rd mags, I will try changing the spring to a stronger one and then the lesser if that fails, and will have to go buy some different ammo if time permits.

Any other suggestions are welcome
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I think I would try the lighter one first as your short barrel is generating pressure for a shorter length of time. I would also take the spring right out and slowly slide the bolt back and forth to see if you do have a small burr somewhere either on the bolt or in the housing. I would then do the same with the spring in place. Stupid question but you did put in poly buffers?
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elimsprint said:
I think I would try the lighter one first as your short barrel is generating pressure for a shorter length of time. I would also take the spring right out and slowly slide the bolt back and forth to see if you do have a small burr somewhere either on the bolt or in the housing. I would then do the same with the spring in place. Stupid question but you did put in poly buffers?
Kim
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Yes the KIDD buffer is in place. I was thinking the same thing about the lighter spring, likely the bolt is not traveling all the way back due to not enough pressure from the shorter barrel.

The bolt travel seems smooth without the spring and doesn't bind with the spring unless I go slow. I may have to polish everything at some point.

Thanks for the suggestions.
 
Nice rifle Lead Monkey!!
You've probably already done this but I'll mention it anyway. Have you polished the inside of your receiver? Mine had a ton of gritty black anodizing in it. Used 400/600/1000 grit to clean mine up.
Also notice that you swapped out the scope mount screws. If they're even a smidgeon too long they'll cause trouble.
I too, would use only factory 10 rnd mags for troubleshooting and then start swapping in factory internals one at a time.
Also, my aftermarket bolt handle required a generous amount of trimming to clear SR-22 chassis.Not sure if that's an issue with the KIDD one. Again nice rifle. I now regret using the Dlask shorty handguard.
 
patrickosuave said:
Nice rifle Lead Monkey!!
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Thank You!

patrickosuave said:
You've probably already done this but I'll mention it anyway. Have you polished the inside of your receiver? Mine had a ton of gritty black anodizing in it. Used 400/600/1000 grit to clean mine up.
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Yeah I noticed that too, haven't cleaned it up yet but will before the range tonight!

patrickosuave said:
Also notice that you swapped out the scope mount screws. If they're even a smidgeon too long they'll cause trouble.
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That was on the NEA AR22 and yes I made certain they were at least 1 mm shorter than required, that was by far the hardest part of the NEA build. For those wondering, the screw size is 6/48 and 10mm long of threading, filament style or socket head (hex) screw, weaver would not be ideal.

The SR-22 is the one having trouble cycling, but the screws that came with it clear fine.

patrickosuave said:
Also, my aftermarket bolt handle required a generous amount of trimming to clear SR-22 chassis.Not sure if that's an issue with the KIDD one.
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No it's a perfect fit, the KIDD parts are by far superior to others. I did have to notch the hell out of the Superior Concepts handle to make it fit the NEA chassis.
 
Just remembered something. On my rifle, the channel where the charging handle spring rides was very rough casting.
I used a small drum shaped abrasive rubber Dremel tip to give her a damn good rogering. Might want to look at that area.
Did you double check your barrel indexing? Extractor needs to freely run in it's notch in barrel.
You seem to have a handle on things, I'm guessing you'll have this sorted out pretty quick.
 
Tom E Gun said:
2) Battledyne Mags ...I have no experience with these mags, but there is a thread here that may be helpful:

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1017647-Battledyne-10-22-Mag-Issue?highlight=Battledyne

Good luck and lets us now how it's going.
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This sums up MY EXPERIENCE exactly... Needless to say I will be returning them to HiCal hopefully for a full refund...

RadMan said:
I've had both the original batch as well as the ones with the new feed lips. I've found the "new lips version" still has a tendency of the bullet catching the bottom edge of the chamber. I've tried these on 3 different 10/22s, same issue. The bullet will either outright jam on that bottom edge (FTF) or feed with a little sliver off the lead (every round).

I'm still doing testing on the new ones (breaking in) before deciding what to keep and return, but only because I want to probably keep a couple for esthetic purposes IF I can break those in to be relatively reliable with a little "tinkering". The rest are going to be returned soon.

I'd summarize my experience like this (for both old and new batch):

- Very esthetically pleasing magazine
- Will NOT feed reliably with target barrels (40% FTF rate)
- Will NOT feed reliably with waxed ammo (15-25% FTF rate on sporter barrel)
- Best ammo to use is Federal Auto-Match. (average 1-3 FTF per 25 round loading depending on the mag) Every other ammo gave me noticeably more problems. I think this has to do with no wax and bullet shape.
- Newer feed-lip design is only somewhat more reliable for feeding. Still slivers every round going into the chamber
- Downloading the mags to 20 rounds may help with newer batch
- While the newer lips are very much close to the Ruger factory lips, the round doesn't quite feed into the chamber the same way. The Ruger mag pops the round up slightly before feeding, lining the round up with the chamber and not skimming the edge of the chamber. The Battledyne rubs the bullet of the round against the bottom edge of of the chamber for a short while. Every so often that lead catches and jams the feed, and either way slivers the lead.
- Some of the mags become more reliable if forward pressure is applied to the bottom of the mag (effectively rotating the feed lips up slightly)
- Some of the mags occasionally jam on the top edge of the chamber if forward pressure is applied to the bottom of the mag

Sorry to say my experience with both the older and newer batch have not been great. A lot of effort and rounds trying to make them work. In the end though these will have to be show mags and I'll have to stick with my butler creeks for reliability.

All that being said I am but one data point and I certainly feel the new version is an improvement on the older.While they don't solve the problems they will mean less people having them.

My 5 cents.
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A quick mini update. I am still waiting for the adapters and 4" hand guard to arrive. In this pic you can see the new barrel shroud and the new Archangel mag I ordered from Wanstalls website on Sunday (arrived today!):

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Tom E Gun said:
A quick mini update. I am still waiting for the adapters and 4" hand guard to arrive. In this pic you can see the new barrel shroud and the new Archangel mag I ordered from Wanstalls website on Sunday (arrived today!):

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Looking good bro! How does the mag run? I've spent 10 hours at the range over the last week trying to get my mags to run... Total bs!
 
LeadMonkey said:
Looking good bro! How does the mag run? I've spent 10 hours at the range over the last week trying to get my mags to run... Total bs!
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To be honest I didn't buy this mag with very high hopes for function. I mainly bought it for looks. Because I am building a mix and match style SR-22, I thought it would be a good combination. This mag also comes with the .223 style mag sleeve, but I think I prefer the HK MP5 look of the inner mag shown in the pic. I have a variety of Ruger and BC mags I have been using for a while that function just fine. I also bought one of the H3Cr mags because I have been wanting to try these ever since i first saw them. I hope to try the H3CR this weekend and I will let you know how it goes.
 
Tom E Gun said:
To be honest I didn't buy this mag with very high hopes for function. I mainly bought it for looks. Because I am building a mix and match style SR-22, I thought it would be a good combination. This mag also comes with the .223 style mag sleeve, but I think I prefer the HK MP5 look of the inner mag shown in the pic. I have a variety of Ruger and BC mags I have been using for a while that function just fine. I also bought one of the H3Cr mags because I have been wanting to try these ever since i first saw them. I hope to try the H3CR this weekend and I will let you know how it goes.
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My HC3R are running fine in both rifles... it's the Battledyne mags that are worthless.

Test the Archangel mag instead!
 
Tom E Gun said:
A quick mini update. I am still waiting for the adapters and 4" hand guard to arrive. In this pic you can see the new barrel shroud and the new Archangel mag I ordered from Wanstalls website on Sunday (arrived today!):
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Sweet set up TEG! Do I read that right that wantsalls sourced you the shroud and the mag?
 
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