yes another xcr question
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andrew3081
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Yes, like I said...most of the issues were the earlier generation of XCR and it was mainly from a few XCR owners that post on every forum they see.
No need to get butt hurt when I pointed out that every gun fails at some point and no guns will run 100% of the time.
And no, my opinions on the XCR are based on PERSONAL experiences. Not from the internet. No screws backed out on my rifle. Everyone manufacture make a lemon from time to time and no one is hiding that.
Btw, you will be waiting for a long time to buy an XCR, I do not think they will change their screw setup for a long time.
Let me correct you on "HOW I THINK"
There are some people out there bashing a gun they never owned or even shot before. They get these information from "some guy" from the internet.
If you owned the gun and had bad experience, then sure...your opinion has more creditability.
Porkchopsandwhich
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It used to say something on the XCR Wikipedia about I thought it had to do with a lack blank firing adapters but it has been removed and who knows it it was true.
You really need to read what I said. I never even commented on the fact you said every gun fails at some point. That's kinda obvious. So I'm not sure why you're saying I'm butt hurt. And once again read what I said. When did I say your opinion on the xcr is based of the internet? I said I'm sure your opinion on some things are based of the internet. Because you can't own everything. And by your thinking you can't comment or have an opinion on anything you don't own. And I'll bet you've commented on these forums quite a bit about rifles and gear you don't own. And I never bashed the xcr. I simply said I wouldn't buy a rifle that has a chance of relying on locktite. It's just my opinion just like you have your opinion. Anyways to the op. I'm just trying to help, I suggest shouldering both if that's possible. Bullpups aren't for everyone.
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andrew3081
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I dont make statements like "I would not buy one until they fix the screw problem". What problem? You won't buy a gun if there are screws in the gun?
I don't comment on another rifle based on something I read on the internet. You are basically echoing what other people have posted on the internet. I am sure the OP can do his/her own research on the internet and find out all those "screw problems" that you mentioned. To be honest, I had my doubts before I bought the XCR, and then after buying one...my opinion on the XCR changed.
The OP want real experience, not internet experience.
And to the OP, I would suggest you wait for the new rail options and the new bolt design for the XCR-L. Also maybe get the light barrel. The only downside of the XCR is that it is front heavy.
Honestly. Please read what I said before you start quoting something I never said. When did I ever say "screw problem"? Using " means you're quoting what I'm saying. if you're gonna quote me maybe copy paste what I said. I said most of the issues have been fixed except for the way the parts are held on. As soon as they stop using screws for everything I'll buy one. And I do apologize it's not an issue with the rifle. Just something I don't like. And why wouldn't you make a statement like that??? You wouldn't express your opinion? And no I won't buy a gun that uses as many screws as the xcr does. And I bet a lot of people agree with me on that. But once again this is just my opinion. No need to get upset. I'm not trying to offended you I apologize
Article from 2012 Shot Show when the M was unveiled...
Shows some of the differences in the M from the L.
I also remember reading that the M would have no revisions as it had all the learnings from the L revisions built into it.
ht tp://firearmsandtraining.########.ca/2012/01/2012-shot-show-robinson-arms-xcr-m.html
It is also likely that the XCR would have failed the trials either way even though the results would be very interesting... everything I have read seems to indicate the Socom trials (like most things) is more political than technical...
Shows some of the differences in the M from the L.
I also remember reading that the M would have no revisions as it had all the learnings from the L revisions built into it.
ht tp://firearmsandtraining.########.ca/2012/01/2012-shot-show-robinson-arms-xcr-m.html
It is also likely that the XCR would have failed the trials either way even though the results would be very interesting... everything I have read seems to indicate the Socom trials (like most things) is more political than technical...
I was excited to buy one until I had the opertunity to handle and shoot one a few times prior to purchasing, maybe I am spolied with having owned HK, swiss arms, etc prior but for the money the XCR is not worth it IMO as I tested it back then.
To me reliability is key to enjoying a day at the range, I dont want to spend time trying to figure out if it is a mag, ammo or a gun issue that is the problem when there is a stoppage, HK and swiss arms have been 100% reliable every time I have shot them, even after hundreds or even thousands of rounds without cleaning. I wasn't past the first box of ammo in the XCR before I had a problem
So you were judging a product owned by someone else? I know, you are going to say that person is fastidious about their firearms, but the point is it was someone else's rifle. Unless I know that I have cleaned and/or maintained something, I will not pass judgement, whether that is a car, truck, motorcycle, firearm whatever.
Now, if you just didn't like the rifle for what it is, NP. We all have different tastes.
Well, that leads one to think that break in procedure may not have been followed, or cleaned before first use etc etc. My point is, the OP needs to make the call based on actual owners experiences, as I did. I read all the same things about what others had read (I had read the same things) or how "I shot a buddies rifle and didn't like it," but I bought the rifle based on owners responses, and I haven't looked back. The only thing keeping me from the older XCRs was the skeleton stock. I didn't like it and didn't want an aftermarket add-on.
I looked at the Swiss and HK, held each (albeit I didn't shoot them), and I am not a fan, but I wouldn't post that in a thread where someone was asking about them, because my opinion would not be valid....unless of course they asked "How did it feel in your hands?"
I did all that for him (gun newb) I felt bad after because he spent the cash because I was interested in one at the time so he thought it was good.Well, that leads one to think that break in procedure may not have been followed, or cleaned before first use etc etc. My point is, the OP needs to make the call based on actual owners experiences, as I did. I read all the same things about what others had read (I had read the same things) or how "I shot a buddies rifle and didn't like it," but I bought the rifle based on owners responses, and I haven't looked back. The only thing keeping me from the older XCRs was the skeleton stock. I didn't like it and didn't want an aftermarket add-on.
I looked at the Swiss and HK, held each (albeit I didn't shoot them), and I am not a fan, but I wouldn't post that in a thread where someone was asking about them, because my opinion would not be valid....unless of course they asked "How did it feel in your hands?"
Now If you want to say I am an idiot and dont know what I am doing I could respect that, but not having issues with my current guns disproves that.
One thing I find interesting from your post is that you are quick to blame the shooter or their maint when a firearm does not operate properly, why is that? I see many more failures due to poor quality guns, bad builds, bad mags, amno, etc than I do legitimate bad break in or poor cleaning. A firearm has to be able to run dirty IMO, it is not woth anything if you have to keep it clean like an operating room to function as that is unrealistic in a real world scenario.
It has to take abuse, none of us are army grunts so our firearms do not see the abuses like any in the military do and should not malfunction at such a reduced level.
Another thing I notice is that people online say how great something is but at the range have issues with the gun (I have seen a few on here that are like that) It is almost as if some are too proud to say they have problems or maybe their definition of a problem differs from yours. Everyones opinion of a riffle has to be taken with a grain of salt including those that currently own one, there are those that say anything they own is the best regardless of if it even works, it is the same with everything, cars, boats, women, watches, etc. Some guys always have the best/perfect everything, I can't wait till it happens to me but I would be holding my breath.
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I am not blaming the shooter per se, as it could have been the rifle. Nothing is free of defects, nothing. What I am saying is, all we have is the word of some guy (yours, mine, everyone) posting on the internet, and because of this I put more stock in what an owner says, good or bad, versus a non-owner. Could the owner be lying? Sure, but I believe the likelihood of someone lying about ownership to up-sell an item is almost nil, unless of course they have something to gain from it, and almost every negative comment I have read from owners, still included things like "I love this rifle," "I would buy one again."
So, as I recommended, take all opinions with a grain of salt, but actually lend a little more credence to what an actual owner says.
Who knows. There were a great number of very good rifles in the trials.
Just because you aren't having problems with a completely different firearm, doesn't mean that your problem with the XCR wasn't user related. You say you had a "problem" what kind of problem? A stoppage? Could be a lot of things, gas setting too low for example, or it could be you had a PMag with a pin that was preventing the mag from seating properly, or you or your buddy may not have cleaned it properly. A better question is: Is he STILL having issues?
Another logical leap, I'm afraid. A firearm that has been never fired and has an issue during break in may never have a problem again once properly broken in. Robinson torture tests their rifles just as much as anyone else.
