yes another xcr question

[ShaunM]

It was brand new that day I shot it, no I didn't get to shoot it first but if you want to argue that point so be it.

When I bought mine, the very first day I took it out the ejector (or little metal peice that sticks out to kick the brass out.. assuming it is the ejector) came loose after 'maybe' 5 rounds. So it's first day at the range sucked and I was extremely disappointed. But I hadn't checked that particular bolt prior to going out on day 1. Took it home, tightened everything up (no loctite), and never had another failure until the day I sold it (for way too damn cheap).

personally I'm leaning towards getting an ACR now, but won't without handling one first. It's the polymer hand guard that has me interested, along with some reports of good accuracy (with aftermarket barrel).

the XCR wasn't too heavy, it is too FRONT heavy. There is a difference. The balance just felt off, and I got the NEA adapter, and put a magpul ACS stock which helped a bit but in the end I sold it because it wasn't what I wanted (a non restricted AR15).

And for the record, I DO carry the groceries in one trip .

 

[Brian46]

I do think the lemon rate is higher with RA than other companies. It is however a cool gun. I bought one new about 8 months ago, it broke 6 times in 6 shoot. Semt it back to the dealer. (WS, which is great btw) and took 2 months to get the gun back.

Here is my experience with the rifle.

1. FTE in every gaz setting and every mags i tried
2. Bolt would lock farther that it supposed to and gun had to be disassemble to fix.
3. Barrel came loose and fell off. (Yes it was locktights and with the proper torque.
4. And the occasionnal double and tripple feed.
5.I think i managed 3 MOA once using a Leupold Mark 6 3-18... Else it was more like 4-5 MOA

And that was after the breakin which i never had to do on any other gun before.

But it is one nice looking gun.

My ACR on the other hand never had an issue.

I had 3 Tavor in the last year and they all worked good.

Should i keep going?

Sometime i do look at you guys results and i want to buy an other one. But would you after my past experience??

very odd, someone else with a similar experience who no longer owns one because of the issues

 

[Pat911]

They replaced all internals. They said the bolt was machined too small.

I did not trust it enough to try it again after. I lost about 1000$ when i sold it.

I heard similar stories from friends but they were in the earlier versions.

 

[Pat911]

Oh and i forgot to say the gas system fell of while shooting too. But that i fixed with lock tight.

 

[yohann160]

Loctite loses alot of its adhesiveness in cold temperatures too so I'd imagine it would fall apart again during winter. lol

 

[caramel]

I did own 2 XCR-M, one stayed unfired, until i sold it, the other one while an ok rifle always scared me a bit by the way some little screws would undo until i loctited them, for that kind of money, i think if you get a NM M1A you will better served... In my book that is... JP.

 

[werewolf]

funny, not a problem, other than a firing pin, with my L, The M on the other hand hasn't had an issue, the mags that came with it were less than good, but the Magpuls made it good. accuracy is alright.

 

[mikethebike]

Not too sure why you would do that, leave your acr non restricted with the longer barrel buy yourself a daniel defense short quality restricted firearm

 

[Zeroed-In]

All these stories of unreliability and parts falling off from XCR owners/shooters have turned me off this brand, for the cost of this firearm new it should be damn near flawless.
Any firearm I own should be able to fire 100% reliably when it is dirty, if it doesn't fire reliably I don't want it. I may give exception to troubles caused by a certain ammunition that doesn't cycle well in that particular firearm, but even that is something I would rather not have to worry about. You don't seem to hear about problems with H&K, Swiss and ATRS rifles to name a few, but then again these are a little more expensive then a RA XCR. However for $2,500 you would think a firearm would work great every time you use it, otherwise most would be personally disappointed. Finding AR's for under $2,000 that are 100% reliable is not difficult to do, but once you cross over to a Non-Resrticted rifle it seems like reliability/accuracy issues arise more often.
Am I wrong? Keltec RFB?, RA XCR?, although cheaper JR Carbine?, SU16?

As Canadians are we paying to much for the NR status and losing out on quality/paying to much to own a NR rifle? What say thee.

 

[caramel]

I decided for peace of mind not to buy any of the doubtfull rifles like the XCR , the JR, the 97 and just go with proven non issues models like a NM M1A, A FNAR, a Benelli R1, like it was stated earlier at the price they sell them, we should not have to worried about them... In my book that is... JP.

 

[00aught]

All these stories of unreliability and parts falling off from XCR owners/shooters have turned me off this brand, for the cost of this firearm new it should be damn near flawless.
Any firearm I own should be able to fire 100% reliably when it is dirty, if it doesn't fire reliably I don't want it. I may give exception to troubles caused by a certain ammunition that doesn't cycle well in that particular firearm, but even that is something I would rather not have to worry about. You don't seem to hear about problems with H&K, Swiss and ATRS rifles to name a few, but then again these are a little more expensive then a RA XCR. However for $2,500 you would think a firearm would work great every time you use it, otherwise most would be personally disappointed. Finding AR's for under $2,000 that are 100% reliable is not difficult to do, but once you cross over to a Non-Resrticted rifle it seems like reliability/accuracy issues arise more often.
Am I wrong? Keltec RFB?, RA XCR?, although cheaper JR Carbine?, SU16?

As Canadians are we paying to much for the NR status and losing out on quality/paying to much to own a NR rifle? What say thee.

I decided for peace of mind not to buy any of the doubtfull rifles like the XCR , the JR, the 97 and just go with proven non issues models like a NM M1A, A FNAR, a Benelli R1, like it was stated earlier at the price they sell them, we should not have to worried about them... In my book that is... JP.

I couldn't agree more. But a couple xcr owners might get upset about us giving valid information.

 

[AWOL]

I couldn't agree more. But a couple xcr owners might get upset about us giving valid information.

Not upset at all. I am on year 3 with mine. It is the version just prior to bringing in the Fast Stock. It has been perfect with not one hiccup. My only complaint has been the weight which I just live with to have a NR black rifle. I have seen a failure on my buddy's XCR-L. His recoil buffer exploded on his 3rd time out with a brand new rifle. I ordered a bunch of spares for mine just in case. Otherwise, I am thoroughly enjoying mine. I use it in the bush since I have an AR for the range.

 

[CosmiC10R]

I couldn't agree more. But a couple xcr owners might get upset about us giving valid information.

Or non XCR owners might get upset, that some of us that own the rifles may actually like them

Yep every rifle up until the XCR was perfect so why bother right? And oh yeah... The Government ALWAYS outfits their troops with reliable weapons...Not even close

http://jouster.com/saga_of_M16/saga_of_the_m16_part_1.pdf

The first clue (for 2/3) that something was wrong came during the battle of Hill 881
North... but all the Hill Fights at Khe Sanh in April ’67 came up the same – dead Marines with
cleaning rods stuck down the barrel of their M16s to punch out cartridge cases that refused to
extract. At first, we considered that the experiences encountered during the Hill Fights might
have constituted an isolated incident, but as experience was to prove, alas, ‘twas not so! The
regulations of the time required that all such malfunctions were to be documented, and
reported to Ordnance Maintenance/Division Ordnance. The 2nd Battalion, 3rd Regiment of
Marines must have filled a 6X6 truck with malfunction reports attempting to stay within the
administrative guidelines. We submitted the required reports and waited – we wanted the
problem FIXED – NOW, and we were willing to play the ordnance paperwork game if that
was what it took to correct the situation!

 

[Paul Morrison]

But a couple xcr owners might get upset about us giving anecdotal information.

Again, if we took a poll of people who actually owned one at one time or other, the stat would be overwhelmingly in favour of the XCR. Three or four haters show up in every thread and derail it, its not representative in any way.

I've had mine over 6 years now, I've never had a problem that was the gun's fault (I lost a pin, RA's support people sent me 5 for free, which is amazing given how many people on these boards think they are #######s who have terrible customer service, but I digress). Yes, that's anecdotal as well. However, I'm confidant that in the aggregate there are a lot more happy XCR owners than haters. The haters just hate loud enough to convince people who don't know any better.

 

[CosmiC10R]

Again, if we took a poll of people who actually owned one at one time or other, the stat would be overwhelmingly in favour of the XCR. Three or four haters show up in every thread and derail it, its not representative in any way.

I've had mine over 6 years now, I've never had a problem that was the gun's fault (I lost a pin, RA's support people sent me 5 for free, which is amazing given how many people on these boards think they are #######s who have terrible customer service, but I digress). Yes, that's anecdotal as well. However, I'm confidant that in the aggregate there are a lot more happy XCR owners than haters. The haters just hate loud enough to convince people who don't know any better.

The stigma of their growing pains persist to this day and I have to acknowledge that Mr. Robinson made a couple of comments/post/emails which REALLY turned people off...

I love the "it's not hard to find a 100% reliable rifle"... That is quite the statement.. Is that like cars too?
Or is it simply a fact that mechanical things sometimes malfunction... As stated earlier, the member at my range had more problems with his new Hi standard AR first day then I have had total with my XCR but sometimes people just get lemons.
While I can agree that the first Revs of the XCR certainly had a higher percentage of lemons then would be considered acceptable that has not been my experience with my M, which is all I can speak too.

But then again my real world experience pales to all the "valid information" on this site.

Again, if we took a poll of people who actually owned one at one time or other, the stat would be overwhelmingly in favour of the XCR. Three or four haters show up in every thread and derail it, its not representative in any way.

Lol, everytime... time to move on gentlemen... life is too short to spend time on things you don't like... I did plenty of research on the xcrforum site before I bought mine and everyone should do that and not listen to the cheerleaders or the naysayers... Take friggin responsibility for your own decisions... if you like it keep it and if you don't, sell it and get on with your life...

 

[00aught]

Again, if we took a poll of people who actually owned one at one time or other, the stat would be overwhelmingly in favour of the XCR. Three or four haters show up in every thread and derail it, its not representative in any way.

I've had mine over 6 years now, I've never had a problem that was the gun's fault (I lost a pin, RA's support people sent me 5 for free, which is amazing given how many people on these boards think they are #######s who have terrible customer service, but I digress). Yes, that's anecdotal as well. However, I'm confidant that in the aggregate there are a lot more happy XCR owners than haters. The haters just hate loud enough to convince people who don't know any better.

And once again. I never hated on the xcr. I just said I wouldn't spend almost 3 grand on a gun the requires locktite. Please show me where me or anyone was "hating" on the xcr. When you say the xcr threads get derailed by haters do you mean the thread gets derailed by people giving valid information about it? For some reason you guys get extremely upset about that stuff. Just because your rifle doesn't need locktite doesn't mean every xcr doesn't.

And cosmic when did anyone get upset about people liking their xcrs? If you're happy with your purchase that's awesome! I'm happy for you as I'm sure every firearm owner is happy for you.

 

[ogradyrw]

I love the design of the XCR and I have owned 3, ALL NEW!
Now from my own experience.
WOLVERINE and RA were excellent in rectifying every problem hassle free and super fast turnaround

1st XCR 7.62x39
- .223 Conversion Kit was out of spec and caused serious jams I would have to remove the barrel to un-jam
- Bolt extractor came apart and pieces all over the ground

2nd XCR .223 FDE
- Bolt catch broke and then the OP Rod Cracked in half

3rd XCR .223
- Bolt Catch broke in a Service Rifle competition
- Firing pin broke in half
- On 1-2 would not cycle, then I cleaned the gas block etc...ordered a replacement, solved the issue

Im now just using an AR but maybe one day will consider one of the newer models...The Key Hole mod 2014 and revised bolt!

 

[Paul Morrison]

And once again. I never hated on the xcr. I just said I wouldn't spend almost 3 grand on a gun the requires locktite. Please show me where me or anyone was "hating" on the xcr. When you say the xcr threads get derailed by haters do you mean the thread gets derailed by people giving valid information about it? For some reason you guys get extremely upset about that stuff. Just because your rifle doesn't need locktite doesn't mean every xcr doesn't.

Again, if you say false things about something, with an eye to say its bad, you're a hater. You may not think you're hating, but you are. The locktite bullsh!t is well and truly assinine. It doesn't require locktite, hasn't for years. Manual doesn't tell you to do it. Thousands of owners have never done it. A couple of people were advised more than 5 years ago to do so, and now it "requires" it according to poorly informed people on the internet. Its false, its been false for years.

The stigma of their growing pains persist to this day and I have to acknowledge that Mr. Robinson made a couple of comments/post/emails which REALLY turned people off...

Robinson's rant, was, in my opinion, pure awesome. He called out the reality: (a) that from day one the AR fanbois and other haters tried to attack them, even before the rifle was in prototype; (b) they had to learn a few things in production and made mistakes in the process which were since corrected; and (c) if you treat them like an ass they won't give you as good customer service (frankly, having worked in customer service, that's what I always did too). Of course, the haters went ballistic. Some people just hate the XCR. They have all the passion and veracity of other bigots. I half expect them to re-work the Protocols of the Elders of Zion for their future posts.

Look, there are some people who have had issues with the XCR, as have all people with every rifle (or for that matter, all mechanical devices), but the amount of vitriol directed at the XCR is all out of proportion. Someone posted in this forum about an AR-15 blowing up at the range. No XCR people immediately flocked to that thread to point out that "an XCR will never do that" or that the AR-15 cannot be considered "100% reliable" or any other such BS, why? Because XCR people enjoy their firearm, they don't enjoy slandering other people's.

Tavors are nice guns, Swiss Arms are nice guns, AR-15's are nice guns, XCRs are nice guns, ACRs are nice guns, CZ858s are nice guns, I believe in diversity, not bigotry.

 

[00aught]

 

[hbean]

Wow, you guys are still at it? since the start of this thread I shot another 200 rounds of nasty corrosive 7.62 x 39 out of my pistol.