yes another xcr question

Paul Morrison said:
Who knows. There were a great number of very good rifles in the trials.



Just because you aren't having problems with a completely different firearm, doesn't mean that your problem with the XCR wasn't user related. You say you had a "problem" what kind of problem? A stoppage? Could be a lot of things, gas setting too low for example, or it could be you had a PMag with a pin that was preventing the mag from seating properly, or you or your buddy may not have cleaned it properly. A better question is: Is he STILL having issues?



Another logical leap, I'm afraid. A firearm that has been never fired and has an issue during break in may never have a problem again once properly broken in. Robinson torture tests their rifles just as much as anyone else.
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Third day up with my XCR, one of our local guys was up with a brand new Hi Standard DI AR. Couldnt get through 3 rounds of wolf without a stoppage and eventually he had to borrow my mallet, ballastoil, and some Federal to try to get through the break in.

My 20th round in my XCR was stuck in the chamber unfired and I couldnt get the bolt out... A lube issue during Break in.
Every round since has been perfect... It was also a good learning experience with a new rifle...
The question is not whether you gun will F up but how you deal with it when it does...
 
Paul Morrison said:
Just because you aren't having problems with a completely different firearm, doesn't mean that your problem with the XCR wasn't user related. You say you had a "problem" what kind of problem? A stoppage? Could be a lot of things, gas setting too low for example, or it could be you had a PMag with a pin that was preventing the mag from seating properly, or you or your buddy may not have cleaned it properly. A better question is: Is he STILL having issues?
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After taking it back and forth to the range multiple times and after many rounds, different ammo types, different mags, different lube, cleaning, etc and having a smith look it over a couple times he sold it for a substantial loss so no more problems.

It has been a while but it was a intermittent FTE issue. He posted it up with pics looking for help I believe on another forum and finally gave up on trying to fix it.

I'n not bashing the gun, that is not my intention, just giving an unbiased opinion
 
berger said:
Could the owner be lying? Sure, but I believe the likelihood of someone lying about ownership to up-sell an item is almost nil, unless of course they have something to gain from it, and almost every negative comment I have read from owners, still included things like "I love this rifle," "I would buy one again."
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I find many owners are not very up front about quality of anything (especially on the internet), they own it so are very likely not going to say anything bad about it even when there are known flaws, you don't have to look far on this site to see what I am talking about.

I also drag race and am a mechanic, I see it first hand, guys post videos and pics on the internet of their achievements saying they did this and that to their car and it runs perfectly when they post on the internet trying to impress people. Post pics of their car, show winner, show quality, etc. Yet I know many of them in real life and are much more humble and honest about problems they have with the car running and issues with their build, the internet seems to be just a "Face" people put on for show a lot of the time in my experience, I see the same happening here.
 
Brian46 said:
I find many owners are not very up front about quality of anything (especially on the internet), they own it so are very likely not going to say anything bad about it even when there are known flaws, you don't have to look far on this site to see what I am talking about.
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You took the words right out of my mouth :). I actually prefer an opinion from someone who has either owned both the rifles I'm comparing. Or haven't owned either.
 
3000+ rounds out of mine and no issues. I love this gun. Haven't needed 1 drop of loctite either...
I even bought the Wolverine parts kit just in case but I haven't needed a thing out of the kit yet.
 
Locitite jokes are getting very old and lame but having said that the safety switch on my 7### serial # XCR fall off. While picking up brass notice metal knob, surprise to find it was the safety. Luckily fall off at the range and was not step on. Loctite it back on, plus a drop to all other recommend area, no problem since.

Actually one other problem, the bolt catch slips. Have to push up by hand after last rnd otherwise slapping in a new mag the catch lets go.
 
burnaby said:
Locitite jokes are getting very old and lame but having said that the safety switch on my 7### serial # XCR fall off. While picking up brass notice metal knob, surprise to find it was the safety.
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Haha, had the same thing happen with my recent-production Micro, but I noticed it just before it fell off!! Love the gun, but the loctite jokes do have some validity. Thank goodness for Loctite :)
 
Paul Morrison said:
There, I fixed that for you.
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How is that a biased opinion? He said he was very interested in buying one till he saw his friends xcr have several problems. A biased opinion would be a whole bunch of xcr owners talking about how it's the best (only because they own it)
 
Its a biased opinion because he's talking about a rifle (a) he doesn't own; (b) he's never owned; (c) has no idea how it was maintained; (d) cannot accurately describe the problem; (e) or the solution to or design flaw causing the problem, if any;

Basically all we have is a generic comment that a "buddy" had an FTE problem with a rifle. That's not at all reliable commentary, and every single XCR thread gets filled with haters and I'm frankly tired of the stupidity of it all.
 
Paul Morrison said:
...every single XCR thread gets filled with haters and I'm frankly tired of the stupidity of it all.
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This is exactly how I feel about it too. It seems that as soon as the XCR is mentioned a band of haters jump into the thread with horror stories about a buddy rifle from many years ago. I've not seen much negative from current or recent owners, and I think that says more about how the rifle has evolved than old stories from the first generation rifles.
 
Paul Morrison said:
Its a biased opinion because he's talking about a rifle (a) he doesn't own; (b) he's never owned; (c) has no idea how it was maintained; (d) cannot accurately describe the problem; (e) or the solution to or design flaw causing the problem, if any;

Basically all we have is a generic comment that a "buddy" had an FTE problem with a rifle. That's not at all reliable commentary, and every single XCR thread gets filled with haters and I'm frankly tired of the stupidity of it all.
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I was there with the gun from the first round fired, but really if you don't value my opinion that is up to you. If the problem could have been narrowed dow and fixed it would have by either smith and the parts swapping/changing and work that was tried. The gun was sold in the end because it was never 100%.

Like I said this was years ago and the owner turned to forums for help and nothing changed no matter what people suggested, sorry if this is not a current issue I am having so I can post pics and video of the actual issue happening so the fanboys can't discredit it ever happening cuz they need more proof.

There have been many rifles since this one and some with problems, I can understand you wanting a play by play but this isn't happening today so I would rather not confuse two seperate guns issues by trying to go in to detail.
 
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Paul Morrison said:
Its a biased opinion because he's talking about a rifle (a) he doesn't own; (b) he's never owned; (c) has no idea how it was maintained; (d) cannot accurately describe the problem; (e) or the solution to or design flaw causing the problem, if any;

Basically all we have is a generic comment that a "buddy" had an FTE problem with a rifle. That's not at all reliable commentary, and every single XCR thread gets filled with haters and I'm frankly tired of the stupidity of it all.
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Basically all we have is a generic comment that "you don't own it" and there for what you saw doesn't matter. If you heard Toyotas were falling apart while driving and even saw it happen would you tell someone you saw considering buying one? Or just say I don't own one so my opinion doesn't matter?
 
It is up to the person buying if the value your opinion, current owners of said item getting butthurt over someones bad experience and trying to discredit it should not be taken seriously as a good review of said item.

If my post was simply "hate" like the fanboys are suggesting I would have touched on the other downfalls IMO that I found with the rifle comparing it to other brands I own/owned but I limited it to a first hand problem me and a friend tried to work through with a rifle that ended in it's sale after many a frustration.
 
I do think the lemon rate is higher with RA than other companies. It is however a cool gun. I bought one new about 8 months ago, it broke 6 times in 6 shoot. Semt it back to the dealer. (WS, which is great btw) and took 2 months to get the gun back.

Here is my experience with the rifle.

1. FTE in every gaz setting and every mags i tried
2. Bolt would lock farther that it supposed to and gun had to be disassemble to fix.
3. Barrel came loose and fell off. (Yes it was locktights and with the proper torque.
4. And the occasionnal double and tripple feed.
5.I think i managed 3 MOA once using a Leupold Mark 6 3-18... Else it was more like 4-5 MOA

And that was after the breakin which i never had to do on any other gun before.

But it is one nice looking gun.

My ACR on the other hand never had an issue.

I had 3 Tavor in the last year and they all worked good.

Should i keep going?

Sometime i do look at you guys results and i want to buy an other one. But would you after my past experience??
 
Pat911 said:
I do think the lemon rate is higher with RA than other companies. It is however a cool gun. I bought one new about 8 months ago, it broke 6 times in 6 shoot. Semt it back to the dealer. (WS, which is great btw) and took 2 months to get the gun back.

Here is my experience with the rifle.

1. FTE in every gaz setting and every mags i tried
2. Bolt would lock farther that it supposed to and gun had to be disassemble to fix.
3. Barrel came loose and fell off. (Yes it was locktights and with the proper torque.
4. And the occasionnal double and tripple feed.
5.I think i managed 3 MOA once using a Leupold Mark 6 3-18... Else it was more like 4-5 MOA

And that was after the breakin which i never had to do on any other gun before.

But it is one nice looking gun.

My ACR on the other hand never had an issue.

I had 3 Tavor in the last year and they all worked good.

Should i keep going?

Sometime i do look at you guys results and i want to buy an other one. But would you after my past experience??
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Did WS fix or replace the gun? What was the issue? Lemons come out of all factories, I'm assuming you got unlucky. If it was me and the dealer fixed or replaced the rifle, and it shot fine afterwards, I'd probably be okay with it.
 
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