ASC LAR 10/30 round pistol mags
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Why? There is no difference between a pistol lower and rifle lower, yet they are classified different. Why can't there be 30 round pistol mags for an AR? They have 32 round pistol mags for a glock.
Again, back to the Regs - if the mag was designed before the pistol was made, it's safe to assume the mag was designed for a rifle - the AR mag in 30 round length was designed long before anyone thought of making an AR pistol. The LAR mag was designed to go in the box with a new LAR pistol, ATR's mags were designed to go in the box with ATR's pistol - they don't include them with a new rifle, therefore they're pistol mags. No manufacturer ships a new pistol AR with a 30 round length mag pinned to 10 (regardless of how it's pinned) therefore the mags are for either a rifle or a pistol. A pure aftermarket magazine would, I'm sure,always be decided to be for both rifles and pistols - in which case the mag must be pinned to 5 rounds.
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AR pistols come with 30 round mags pinned to 10 all the time. Look at the 22lr AR market. Chiappa ships their 22lr AR rifle and pistols with a 28 round mag, pinned to 10, as it is designed for both, in a box.
And 10 round rifle mags have existed for the AR almost as long as the 30s have. The 20 round mag was the original, the 30 was a later development.
No where in law does it say the 30 round mag is a proprietary rifle design and can't be a pistol mag.
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themarauder
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I really, really hate our laws. If our laws made sense we wouldn't be having this discussion. Mr Harper, can you please fix this crap? Thanks man.
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True. Ditch mag capacity rules and this is all moot.
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OK - but I'm going to say right now that I believe those mags crossed the border under false pretenses, haven't been approved for sale and the CFC knows nothing about them, if the importer would like to prove me wrong specifically, I'd be delighted to provide an abject apology. What I think has happened here is that someone has gone off the reservation, had the magazines all marked exactly the same way, and described exactly the same way on the shipping paperwork. The assumption that an "ASC 10 round pistol mag for an LAR pistol" is the previously approved magazine, would be normal enough and in this case would be incorrect. Caveat Emptor.
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Well I think these mags are legal given the fact that the mag body is designed in such a way that it can't be modified without going to great extremes to take more than 10 rounds unless you start cutting and grinding the chit out of it. Also it is appropriately marked as a 10 round pistol mag. Given the mags are made south of the border and had to enter Canada they must be approved or they wouldn't be allowed into the country.
I still like my ATR 10 round mags more than these and will stick with them as they are a damn ###y mag.
I still like my ATR 10 round mags more than these and will stick with them as they are a damn ###y mag.
The Type 97 rifle, Walther G22, BD 38 - all of these were allowed into the country. Why would you think that ATR had to have a different length magazine made, just to be different? - It would be cheaper to use a 30 round mag body, so of course Questar and ATRS ran out and designed totally different magazines at their own cost, because they're in love with the idea of spending money. Sure - nobody thought of crimping the mag body, then just using the readily available and cheap 30 round tubes - really? Incidentally, crimping the mag body is nothing more than a listed and approved method of pinning a full capacity magazine down to legal capacity. Read the regulations. I wish these were OK, they do not appear to be.
This is not true at all. CBSA is not the same as the RCMP. Just because someone got something past CBSA and puts it up for sale does not necessarily mean that it has been approved or is legal to own.
While interesting, these items are questionable at best.
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Hooray Grammar Nazi time!
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On topic: mags look cool. Do want.
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Hooray Grammar Nazi time!
mute
adjective [mut·er, mut·est.]
- not emitting or having sound of any kind; incapable of speech
moot
adjective
- of little or no practical value or meaning; purely academic; not actual; theoretical; hypothetical.
On topic: mags look cool. Do want.
Yes. You may send my iPad to nazi grammar camp now. Autocorrect has been sent to its room and the post edited.
This thread was started yesterday, Saturday. Today is Sunday.
Offices are closed.
Phone lines to the CFP/SFSS will no doubt be humming tomorrow morning.
Potential for rejoicing or weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Outcome will be interesting.
Offices are closed.
Phone lines to the CFP/SFSS will no doubt be humming tomorrow morning.
Potential for rejoicing or weeping, wailing and gnashing of teeth.
Outcome will be interesting.
mildcustom2
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So play it like the stock market and buy low today so you can sell high tomorrow when they are all sold out.
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In theory there is no reason why someone could not design and manufacture a totally legal 10-round pistol magazine that looks like the typical 30-round AR mag. However, the practical reality is that the authorities are going to look skeptically at these mags, because they are sure to strongly believe that these are just AR mags that have been crimped and labelled, not designed and manufactured from scratch. I wouldn't buy at this time.
30 round mags were in use in Viet Nam in 1967-68, AR pistols weren't produced until long after the passage of the GCA '68 which required a tax stamp on all SBR's. The 30 round magazine was developed by the US military for the M16 rifle.
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US law. Point being, 30 round pistol mags exist. AR pistols exist. No where in canadian law does it say 30 AR pistol mags can't exist, pinned to ten. Just like glock 30 round pistol mags are pinned to ten, then imported.
These mags come from the same manufacturer, with the same designation on them - the paperwork would look legit, the mags however are not the same. The importer is playing a dangerous labeling game.
What firearm was the 30 round mag designed for - the rifle? or the pistol? Even if you say it was designed for both, it has to be pinned to 5. Since the 30 round mag (which is defined by a technical description that includes it's overall length) predates the pistol AR, the mag was designed for the rifle and is a rifle mag = 5 rounds. Remember that the firearm that the magazine was designed for is what the classification is based on. Since there is no Glock rifle (and even if there were it would use mags originally designed for the pistol that came first) Glock 33 round mags can be pinned to 10 rounds and be used in, for example the Kriss Vector.
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