Blackhawk Serpa...Fact or Fiction

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Some folks like it....others don't. End of discussion as far as I'm concerned. I'll see how it works for me....if there's an issue I'll replace it with something else. No, price wasn't a factor. I live in the gun hating capital of Canada, and to find any holster on the shelf here is a rarity. It doesn't scuff my slide....that was the factor. I have a Bladetech, Uncle Mikes Kydex, and a Bianchi for the Glock also....they all work well, but leave marks.
 
Newfoundlandrover said:
All good brother!.....I'm grinning from ear to ear!...this is better than poking a wasp nest with a broom handle lol!!
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CGN is great...try asking about slide-fire legality, re-pinning your Pmags to 10 because LAR mags are, or .223 vs 5.56 Nato... then sit back and watch the show :)
 
Newfoundlandrover said:
Some folks like it....others don't. End of discussion as far as I'm concerned. I'll see how it works for me....if there's an issue I'll replace it with something else. No, price wasn't a factor. I live in the gun hating capital of Canada, and to find any holster on the shelf here is a rarity. It doesn't scuff my slide....that was the factor. I have a Bladetech, Uncle Mikes Kydex, and a Bianchi for the Glock also....they all work well, but leave marks.
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those who like it are ignorant of what constitutes a good holster. You're worried about the finish on your gun which is not a valid reason to run any holster. Feel free to run junk, just remember that the serpa is junk and that's based on fact not personal opinion or foolish desire for a holster that doesn't Mar the finish :rolleyes:

Would you like to answer the questions I posed? You say you know what you're doing so please explain your need for any holster.

Tdc
 
CBR600 said:
For a couple reasons actually

1) My sls is on my duty belt, with all my other #### on it. No need for everything else, when I'm in the office.

2) SlS is to big and cumbersome to where on a regular belt. The basic serpa is more stream lined and fits on a regular belt more streamlined.

I will NEVER run a serpa on the road, because there have been instances when you roll on the floor with some scum bag and some debris gets in the retention mechanism in your serpa, your ####ed. good luck getting your sidearm out.
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I'm baffled why you would wear holsters with 2 vastly different methods of drawing. Good luck getting your pistol out quickly under pressure.

I have a Safariland 6365 on my duty belt. When I am in the office and don't feel the need to wear my full duty belt I wear a Safariland 6378 (ALS paddle holster). At least the draw is closer to being the same.
 
Another awesome thread by someone with little to no knowledge of the topic.

Pure entertainment.

Aside from the ee, the laughs are the only reason to visit this site.
 
TDC said:
those who like it are ignorant of what constitutes a good holster. You're worried about the finish on your gun which is not a valid reason to run any holster. Feel free to run junk, just remember that the serpa is junk and that's based on fact not personal opinion or foolish desire for a holster that doesn't Mar the finish :rolleyes:

Would you like to answer the questions I posed? You say you know what you're doing so please explain your need for any holster.

Tdc
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Actually no TDC....I'm pretty much done squabbling with you...you're not worth it. You are no better,nor any more knowledgable then anybody else on this forum. Apparently you have quite the reputation on this forum as an instigator , and when posters react, you cry to the Moderators about it. Kindly skip over any future post of mine.
 
I had serpa holster and used it for IDPA for several years. I never had any problem with it and in fact I was quite found of it. The grip and look/unlock functionality was extremely natural and smooth.

When the first reports poped out about accidental discharges using serpa I couldn't even figure out how it was possible. I distinctly remember a moment when I was in such disbelieve that I specifically went on youtube searching for videos trying to at least see how it could happen. When I saw it slowly on a video it took me a while to absorb why would anyone use such an awkward movement at all.

However, I totally agree that it can happen, depending on size and anatomy of one's fingers it might be even comfortable to do so. It is extremely likely to have a discharge by doing it wrong. No argument.

But it is the same issue as pointing the muzzle or leaving chamber unchecked. Its just one of many ways of doing something wrong with a firearm. And the issue is not a mechanical malfunction of a holster, but an absence of patience and attention from both trainers and trainees. If someone grips a gun in a wrong way - you'll teach them safe and unsafe ways. You won't ban a gun for giving a possibility of being held in unsafe way.

There is not enough bubble wrap in the world to guard everyone from everything possibly harmful.
 
Newfoundlandrover said:
Actually no TDC....I'm pretty much done squabbling with you...you're not worth it. You are no better,nor any more knowledgable then anybody else on this forum. Apparently you have quite the reputation on this forum as an instigator , and when posters react, you cry to the Moderators about it. Kindly skip over any future post of mine.
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So what you're saying is that you haven't a logical reason to need a holster let alone a level two retention
Model. In addition you aren't as knowledgeable as you indicated as you still haven't defended your position or the design of the holster. As long as everyone is clear on those points I have nothing more to add.

Tdc
 
TDC said:
So what you're saying is that you haven't a logical reason to need a holster let alone a level two retention
Model. In addition you aren't as knowledgeable as you indicated as you still haven't defended your position or the design of the holster. As long as everyone is clear on those points I have nothing more to add.

Tdc
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no, what I'm saying is that I don't need to defend or explain anything to you....or any of your coat tail hecklers for that matter. Your opinion means nothing to me, and from the messages I've received from other members who have seen you "visit" other threads....your opinion means even less to them. If you don't own it...its a POS...if you don't like it...its a POS. Who wants to perpetually listen to your babble?....not I
 
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I can't blame most course instructors to ban the Serpas. It's a holster that's effective when used correctly. Seeing as that an instructor has no clue to the prior knowledge of the student, that they could be starting from scratch, with whatever gun they want, I'd ban it as well. If I was running an advanced course, with people who are familiar with their firearm, their holster setup, etc, then I would welcome any Serpas.

Tex Grebner shot himself in the leg because he's an idiot. He switched from one weapon and holster to another. He was using a thumb drive holster, then went to a canted Serpa with a 1911 (light trigger pull). When he tried a fast draw on the first draw, he deactivated the safety using his thumb, in a thumb drive retention holster style...then he hooked his finger trying to press the button, while he pulled up on the gun...and then he shot himself.

I've been on the range with guys that are less than pistol experts, who were using the Serpa, and there were no NDs.
 
If that Tex Grebner guy is now setting standards for safe-unsafe equipment, we will have to ban pillows and toothbrushes soon. I'm sure he can cause great bodily harm to himself with a pillow, as for toothbrush I'm afraid even to think what he can do with it.
 
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no, what I'm saying is that I don't need to defend or explain anything to you....or any of your coat tail hecklers for that matter. Your opinion means nothing to me, and from the messages I've received from other members who have seen you "visit" other threads....your opinion means even less to them. If you don't own it...its a POS...if you don't like it...its a POS. Who wants to perpetually listen to your babble?....not I
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Read my posts again. I said the holster is SH!t because of a poor design and poor materials, I never said it was a pos because I don't have or use one.

As for defending yourself, yes you do need to. You're the one that called me out and proclaimed you knew/know more than I so put your money where your mouth is. Please enlighten us all as to why the serpa is so great and why you feel the desire to run a level two retention holster when you don't ever draw a loaded firearm nor appear to have a reason to. Please explain why every other holster on the market does not require the user to activate/deactivate anything with their trigger finger? Some would call that a clue.

The other members who appear to have rallied to support you are likely those I've proven wrong about other topics or are just as poorly informed as yourself so its no surprise. Whether you like me or not is of no importance. What has been posted is fact and facts cannot be debated. Carry on running junk its your money.

Tdc
 
I used to have a SERPA for my G17. Used it in IDPA and it worked well. Zero rounds into leg...

One time, however, I was shooting prone with a carbine and a tiny bit of pea gravel got lodged under the release lever. It was a real treat to extract the pistol from the holster.

That was the last time I ran a SERPA.

I also think Tex Grebner is as qualified to give advice on how to draw from a holster as he is to provide input on a proper diet.
 
TDC said:
Read my posts again. I said the holster is SH!t because of a poor design and poor materials, I never said it was a pos because I don't have or use one.

As for defending yourself, yes you do need to. You're the one that called me out and proclaimed you knew/know more than I so put your money where your mouth is. Please enlighten us all as to why the serpa is so great and why you feel the desire to run a level two retention holster when you don't ever draw a loaded firearm nor appear to have a reason to. Please explain why every other holster on the market does not require the user to activate/deactivate anything with their trigger finger? Some would call that a clue.

The other members who appear to have rallied to support you are likely those I've proven wrong about other topics or are just as poorly informed as yourself so its no surprise. Whether you like me or not is of no importance. What has been posted is fact and facts cannot be debated. Carry on running junk its your money.

Tdc
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Its like I'm 8 years old,and stuck in a 74' Ford Station Wagon with my Aunt Marjorie while she's waiting for her hair appointment....the yakking just doesn't end!....no wonder my Uncle Fred was a raging alcoholic!
 
TDC said:
Read my posts again. I said the holster is SH!t because of a poor design and poor materials, I never said it was a pos because I don't have or use one.

As for defending yourself, yes you do need to. You're the one that called me out and proclaimed you knew/know more than I so put your money where your mouth is. Please enlighten us all as to why the serpa is so great and why you feel the desire to run a level two retention holster when you don't ever draw a loaded firearm nor appear to have a reason to. Please explain why every other holster on the market does not require the user to activate/deactivate anything with their trigger finger? Some would call that a clue.

The other members who appear to have rallied to support you are likely those I've proven wrong about other topics or are just as poorly informed as yourself so its no surprise. Whether you like me or not is of no importance. What has been posted is fact and facts cannot be debated. Carry on running junk its your money.

Tdc
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You have yet to prove me wrong on anything.

He's using the damn thing to carry an unloaded pistol around the range. He bought it for that use, he's not using it for life and death scenarios. It'll keep his gun secure if he trips and falls going up to change his target. But seeing as that you are doing your best to portray yourself as a tactical operator operating tactically on tactical operations, and know everything there is to know about the Serpa, I'm going to throw out my issued Serpa and have them send you the bill.
 
BigWil said:
You have yet to prove me wrong on anything.

He's using the damn thing to carry an unloaded pistol around the range. He bought it for that use, he's not using it for life and death scenarios. It'll keep his gun secure if he trips and falls going up to change his target. But seeing as that you are doing your best to portray yourself as a tactical operator operating tactically on tactical operations, and know everything there is to know about the Serpa, I'm going to throw out my issued Serpa and have them send you the bill.
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BigWil said:
You have yet to prove me wrong on anything.

He's using the damn thing to carry an unloaded pistol around the range. He bought it for that use, he's not using it for life and death scenarios. It'll keep his gun secure if he trips and falls going up to change his target. But seeing as that you are doing your best to portray yourself as a tactical operator operating tactically on tactical operations, and know everything there is to know about the Serpa, I'm going to throw out my issued Serpa and have them send you the bill.
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Op seems concerned about his pistols finish, so why not run leather or use a nice coach handbag? He has no reason for a holster and definitely doesn't need a level two holster. His inability to defend his position simply proves the point. He hasn't a clue what a good holster is and really doesn't need one. Furthermore, if his only use is to transport his pistol while changing targets, then why ask for opinions? It holds his gun securely and doesn't appear to Mar the finish. Why would he want or need the opinions or more accurately the approval of others?

And where did I say I was a tactical operator or that I know everything? Comprehension is weak in this thread.

Tdc
 
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