10/22 advice for an obsessive compulsive bolt guy

Bubbafett33 said:
In an attempt too get things back on topic.... ;)

Just ordered an upgraded TUF-22 from Dlask:

- TUF-22 ‘Basic’
- Upgrade to Ruger BX trigger pack
- Upgrade to the grey Magpul X-22 stock.
- Upgrade to the 16.5” matte blued carbon fiber barrel.
- XB-5 linear compensator in matte blue to match the CF barrel.
- TUF-22 25-round magazine

My goals were reliable, lightweight and accurate. Doesn't hurt that she'll be pretty too! ;)

Thanks for the advice all!
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You will be pleased with your new gun from Dlask. Ive bought many things from them and have been more than satisfied with all their products. Your new rig sounds exactly like what you were coveting in a lightweight reliable semi 22. Have fun and show us some bug hole targets with some pics. Cheers Chris
 
GUB said:
Sooo.. If you're spending that kind of money??
Wouldn't you get Jerry to build and test fire a rifle for you???
Then you have a starting point???
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Not sure I understand your question - but yes - the rifle will ship assembled. Not sure what testing Dlask does...or who Jerry is? (Edit - NVM - I didn't connect the name "Jerry" with Mystic Precision).

Edit 2 - I appreciate Jerry's input on the thread--but I really do like the fact that Dlask is "made in Canada" and the legal 25 rd magazines are a plus as well.

And my goal for "that kind of money" was to skip to the end of the upgrade process...not the 'starting point'! :)
 
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Mystic Precision said:
If you got the McGowen barrel from me, I would definitely take care of any barrel that didn't shoot well. PM or email to discuss. One of the specs I offer is specific to match ammo suitable for very LR shooting. That spec would not work well with bulk HV ammo.... there is another spec for that type of application.

The feedback I have received has been very positive...

Let me know if I can help

Happy Easter.
Jerry
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A few years ago I ordered a McGowen replacement barrel from Jerry for my Ruger SR-22. Jerry was great to deal with. The McGowen barrel cut my group size almost in half vs the factory Ruger barrel, I also installed a complete Dlask bolt assembly and did some trigger work. This is a gopher gun for me and I wanted a semi-auto that would come close to or match the accuracy I was getting with my BRNO 452 .22 using the inexpensive bulk Win. hp ammo and it pretty much did that. I average about 3/4 inch five shot groups with the bulk ammo, pretty much the same as what the CZ/BRNO will do. Although I have not tried any of the high end super pricy match ammo, I have tried some of the lower priced ones like CCI green tag and Federal Gold match but did not really get much better accuracy than with the Win. bulk hp.
 
coleman1495 said:
You are confusing help with sales pitch.

Check the 50 yard 1/2” challenge thread. I don’t see any McGowen barrels on there. Lots of Kidd, GM and Dlask (GM).
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how many of these have won a LR rimfire PRS match in BC? How many have won a CRPS regional Championship?

How many 10/22's have won LR rimfire prs match in other provinces?

Different specs, different goals... Very affective at what they are designed to do... and for me, the goal is to do very well at distances beyond 250yds.

If you want 50yds performance, just spec it... there are a number of variations to suit. Personally, it doesn't interest me so I don't shoot at 50yds... maybe this year???

Or maybe, I will just focus on my main goal which is 500m on a 12X12 gong. That seems alot more interesting.. at least to me.

Jerry
 
Mystic Precision said:
how many of these have won a LR rimfire PRS match in BC? How many have won a CRPS regional Championship?

How many 10/22's have won LR rimfire prs match in other provinces?

Different specs, different goals... Very affective at what they are designed to do... and for me, the goal is to do very well at distances beyond 250yds.

If you want 50yds performance, just spec it... there are a number of variations to suit. Personally, it doesn't interest me so I don't shoot at 50yds... maybe this year???

Or maybe, I will just focus on my main goal which is 500m on a 12X12 gong. That seems alot more interesting.. at least to me.

Jerry
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Are you saying a McGowen has an advantage at long range over a Kidd or GM?
 
Well apparently his barrel is doing rather well and results don’t need to say anything, they speak for themselves!! He has held out an olive branch and youve declined, so quit crying or resolve the issue. #### happens pal and anything man made can have problems. I’m not tryin to pick on you or take sides and realize disappointment when products don’t meet expectations. I’m sure he will make an arrangement that will be satisfactory to both of you. Take a deep breath and send him a pm to resolve this. He is a business man but first and foremost a shooter like you. Give him a chance to make things right. Cheers Chris
 
Thanks Longstud. I suspect that the spec on his invoice would say "LR CRPS spec".... wonder what the barrel was optimised to do?

Anyone can research CRPS scores on Practiscore. I have only competed in BC. And for those who want to research, the CRPS Merritt match last year, we shared my rifle. Other matches may not be posted but the scores are out there... KTSA rimfire and BCPRL

I do my development and prove my concepts in competition... pretty hard to BS actual scores and results. Just marketing? Alot of BS? Ask the others at the match. There are plenty enough at each match.

If someone has an end use in mind, I am always happy to offer them the products best suited to their goals. if they have misunderstood or made a wrong decision, I am always happy to figure out a middle ground.

But being upset because they have built a PRS rifle instead of a SR BR rifle they preferred, not a whole lot more I can do.

I do know that many of the points I gain in LR PRS matches are at distances beyond 225yds... anyone can take the time and go through the stage scores if they really want to know. Match books are around too.

I have tried... I guess to no avail.... 'nuff said. Hopefully, we will be back competing by summer. bring out your best ideas and tools... and lets see how they compare under match conditions.

Jerry
 
Mystic Precision said:
Thanks Longstud. I suspect that the spec on his invoice would say "LR CRPS spec".... wonder what the barrel was optimised to do?

Anyone can research CRPS scores on Practiscore. I have only competed in BC. And for those who want to research, the CRPS Merritt match last year, we shared my rifle. Other matches may not be posted but the scores are out there... KTSA rimfire and BCPRL

I do my development and prove my concepts in competition... pretty hard to BS actual scores and results. Just marketing? Alot of BS? Ask the others at the match. There are plenty enough at each match.

If someone has an end use in mind, I am always happy to offer them the products best suited to their goals. if they have misunderstood or made a wrong decision, I am always happy to figure out a middle ground.

But being upset because they have built a PRS rifle instead of a SR BR rifle they preferred, not a whole lot more I can do.

I do know that many of the points I gain in LR PRS matches are at distances beyond 225yds... anyone can take the time and go through the stage scores if they really want to know. Match books are around too.

I have tried... I guess to no avail.... 'nuff said. Hopefully, we will be back competing by summer. bring out your best ideas and tools... and lets see how they compare under match conditions.

Jerry
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The barrel was a 1-16” twist Bentz chamber. As I’ve said before, it was okay but a poor value. I didn’t even buy it from you it was from Bits of Pieces.

The issue is when you claim that you would have taken care of it. Are you guaranteeing a McGowen is as good as a Kidd or GM? It’s dishonest to say you would have done anything except find reasons why it doesn’t work as well.

Maybe you should try competing with Kidd or GM and see if they are better. That’s never going to happen because you don’t sell those products.
 
As I said in my first post to you (post#26)... "IF you had purchased it from me".

Well, now you admit you didn't BUT as a rep for McGowen I have spent time trying to understand the situation and offer solutions. Trying to paint me as the 'bad' guy seems a wee bit unfair dont you think?... well, obviously not.

What you could have done was contact the dealer who you purchased this barrel from AND worked with him and McGowen to find a solution. McGowen is very supportive of their product and like any other Quality barrel maker out there, will respond and if necessary replace something that is defective. In the long run, that is a good investment.

But that never happened or maybe never tried or... whatever. It didn't involve me but I am now the scape goat.

You have a grudge against the brand because of a one time purchase and for that, I get thrown under the bus for good measure.

C'est LaVie..... Take care, enjoy your new barrel, many happy days at the range.

You deserve to be happy....

Jerry
 
Mystic Precision said:
As I said in my first post to you (post#26)... "IF you had purchased it from me".

Well, now you admit you didn't BUT as a rep for McGowen I have spent time trying to understand the situation and offer solutions. Trying to paint me as the 'bad' guy seems a wee bit unfair dont you think?... well, obviously not.

What you could have done was contact the dealer who you purchased this barrel from AND worked with him and McGowen to find a solution. McGowen is very supportive of their product and like any other Quality barrel maker out there, will respond and if necessary replace something that is defective. In the long run, that is a good investment.

But that never happened or maybe never tried or... whatever. It didn't involve me but I am now the scape goat.

You have a grudge against the brand because of a one time purchase and for that, I get thrown under the bus for good measure.

C'est LaVie..... Take care, enjoy your new barrel, many happy days at the range.

You deserve to be happy....

Jerry
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I’m not sure how I can make this any clearer.I pointed out the fact that after buying both barrels, the Kidd is superior. You responded by saying that if you sold the barrel you would have rectified the situation.I am pointing out the fact that that is blatantly dishonest. You would exchange or refund a barrel because it doesn’t shoot as well as another brand? I’d love to build another 10/22 with a McGowen barrel just to test another sample. I know that there is zero chance you would/could do anything if I find the new barrel isn’t any better than the old one.You cant guarantee the McGowen can keep up to a Kidd or GM.
 
Wow! You are calling someone a liar over a hypothetical situation. He even offered to help IF YOU HAD PURCHASED THE BARREL FROM HIM. Finally you admitted that you hadn't purchased the barrel off Mystic. Yet he still offered to resolve your sour grapes. I have barrels from more manufacturers than I want to admit. There are really great ones and some not so really great. Its like cars, two identical yet theyre worlds apart. Too many variables. Did you happen to be the GUNSMITH on your barrel installs? Is everything exactly the same in the builds? Apples too apples to be fair and calling someone a liar that you've not done business with is Really unfair. Back to back barrels from a production run can yield different results and I have a Kidd barrel that is very good but not exceptional. I also have a Kidd barrel that is one of the most accurate Ive owned. I have four McGowen barrels. One rimfire and three centerfire. I would buy one again in a heartbeat, and no Ive never purchased one from Jerry or anything else! The 17 Mach2 fluted stainless barrel I have on a custom semi was donated by Jerry as a prize for a CRPS match in Ontario and a buddy of mine won it and gave it to me. I am older and have shot competitively in many disciplines for over 40 years. I have owned or do own many extremely accurate guns and that 17 Mach2 has as good or better barrel than just about any Ive put my finger on. Glad we have the BLOCK feature on this site. Im sure youll figure it out. Stupid cant be fixed Jerry Sorry!
 
coleman1495 said:
I’m not sure how I can make this any clearer.I pointed out the fact that after buying both barrels, the Kidd is superior. You responded by saying that if you sold the barrel you would have rectified the situation.I am pointing out the fact that that is blatantly dishonest. You would exchange or refund a barrel because it doesn’t shoot as well as another brand? I’d love to build another 10/22 with a McGowen barrel just to test another sample. I know that there is zero chance you would/could do anything if I find the new barrel isn’t any better than the old one.You cant guarantee the McGowen can keep up to a Kidd or GM.
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By the power vested in me as the OP, I pronounce you off-side.

You got a barrel that didn't work well for you from a vendor other than the one you're attacking. Either follow up directly with the person that sold it to you, or....don't. But ranting at this vendor because you're pissed off at someone else helps no-one.

It is not dishonest for a business person to say that if they sold a product that under-performed, that they would rectify the situation. Obviously there could be lots of reasons a barrel may under perform, and there is zero evidence Jerry wouldn't dig in and try each one--up to and including replacing it and trying again.

And as for the pissing contest between barrel brands? Who cares. If a commitment was made by someone selling you a rifle to be accurate within X-MOA at Y-Distance, then it would be up to the vendor to prove it possible. If not, not.
 
Bubbafett33 said:
By the power vested in me as the OP, I pronounce you off-side.

You got a barrel that didn't work well for you from a vendor other than the one you're attacking. Either follow up directly with the person that sold it to you, or....don't. But ranting at this vendor because you're pissed off at someone else helps no-one.

It is not dishonest for a business person to say that if they sold a product that under-performed, that they would rectify the situation. Obviously there could be lots of reasons a barrel may under perform, and there is zero evidence Jerry wouldn't dig in and try each one--up to and including replacing it and trying again.

And as for the pissing contest between barrel brands? Who cares. If a commitment was made by someone selling you a rifle to be accurate within X-MOA at Y-Distance, then it would be up to the vendor to prove it possible. If not, not.
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Im not really following what this individual is complaining about. He didnt purchase anything from the fellow he is calling a liar, which I find strange. Yet he hid the fact that he bought the barrel from BITS N BITES or whoever, which I find misleading and not forthright. Calling someone a liar is a serious accusation! I will put forth a deal for the accuser. I will pay for a new build if it does not outshoot a new build with the same components as your rifle. It will be built by Jerry and he will shoot it against you with your Kidd barrel. If you outshoot him I will pay for the gun Jerry builds and its yours to do whatever pleases you. When he kicks ur aXX with the new build you will offer a REAL APPOLOGY to Jerry. Guessing this offer wont be taken cuz im betting on operator error. Its a poor craftsman that blames his tools. How long have you been a gunsmith?Are the builds the same every time? There are many variables in manufacturing and guns. Like fingerprints they are all individuals. Calling someone a liar is a giant leap. Make sure theres enough water that you don't break ur neck on entry!
 
Bubbafett33 said:
By the power vested in me as the OP, I pronounce you off-side.

You got a barrel that didn't work well for you from a vendor other than the one you're attacking. Either follow up directly with the person that sold it to you, or....don't. But ranting at this vendor because you're pissed off at someone else helps no-one.

It is not dishonest for a business person to say that if they sold a product that under-performed, that they would rectify the situation. Obviously there could be lots of reasons a barrel may under perform, and there is zero evidence Jerry wouldn't dig in and try each one--up to and including replacing it and trying again.

And as for the pissing contest between barrel brands? Who cares. If a commitment was made by someone selling you a rifle to be accurate within X-MOA at Y-Distance, then it would be up to the vendor to prove it possible. If not, not.
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The issue is post #26. Not only does Jerry imply that his McGowen barrels are as good as Kidd, but claims he would do something if his McGowen wasn’t as good. Nobody would warranty a McGowen because its not as good as a Kidd or GM.

That’s dishonest sales tactics plain and simple.
 
coleman1495 said:
The issue is post #26. Not only does Jerry imply that his McGowen barrels are as good as Kidd, but claims he would do something if his McGowen wasn’t as good. Nobody would warranty a McGowen because its not as good as a Kidd or GM.

That’s dishonest sales tactics plain and simple.
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Nope. This is post 26:

Mystic Precision said:
If you got the McGowen barrel from me, I would definitely take care of any barrel that didn't shoot well. PM or email to discuss. One of the specs I offer is specific to match ammo suitable for very LR shooting. That spec would not work well with bulk HV ammo.... there is another spec for that type of application.

The feedback I have received has been very positive...

Let me know if I can help

Happy Easter.
Jerry
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He would take care of any barrel he sold that didn’t shoot well. That’s good business—not dishonesty.

Plain and simple.
 
Those who do business with me, know the support I offer. You dont do business with me so your assumptions are simply that... your assumptions. I don't call people liars especially when I have ZERO evidence to that affect.

Show me the users of Kidd and GM that have podiumed in any LR rimfire prs match across Canada in the last 2 seasons (game is pretty new).

Any podium at the shorter NRL type matches?

If you feel your 10/22 will kick all of our butts, come on out and prove it. .

I have competed in 4 LR rimfire matches in 2019 with my 10/22 set up. One match I shared my rifle with a Team mate. These matches have solid attendance, courses of fire out to 425yds and many very good shooters. No shortage of top tier rifles at these matches. The scores are posted.

I have results to back up my claims.

Go shoot your 10/22 at 300m and post your results... back up yours.

I wonder what litany of excuses will come out on why that will never happen?????

Let us know which match you are going to shoot when the matches reopen. Love to track your performance.

Jerry
 
coleman1495 said:
The issue is post #26. Not only does Jerry imply that his McGowen barrels are as good as Kidd, but claims he would do something if his McGowen wasn’t as good. Nobody would warranty a McGowen because its not as good as a Kidd or GM.

That’s dishonest sales tactics plain and simple.
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He actually does warrant his barrels, ask me how I know. He stands beside what he sells and has my business for this reason. I am curious if you bothered to contact the seller when your barrel didn’t perform. I have his current prs set up barrel and it does shoot very well, close behind my Bergara (but that thing doesn’t even miss when I’m not paying attention lol) so it is hard to compare a lights out bolt gun to a good semi. I’m more than happy to post results once I get some good weather and a decent scope on it
 
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