10/22 extraction issue FTE. = BC mags suck

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My ruger is still quite new but i have torn it down, cleaned it as well as i have about 600 rounds down range. Now this has been a very painful 600 rounds as i have yet to empty a single mag (butler creek steel lips) without extraction issues. It happens either a few times per mag to every second or third shot. So far i have been shooting federal and american eagle. The empty shell ends up sideways and stuck forward by the bolt facing out of the chamber or it gets stuck on top of the next round pushed to the top of the chamber. I really was hoping for better performance than my 715T not worse...
 
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Couple of things
Try different ammo
Try different mag
Take your extractor out and clean it and look for burs on it or replace with a volquartsen one.

Is the empty case crushed or dented up?
 
it is after the bolt smashes it into the front of the chamber. ill try different ammo next time. ill look into the VQ extractor ive read good things about it. Do you know who sells it in Canada? ill tear the gun down again tonight for an inspection I was out plinking today. put another 250 rounds thro it but probably wasted 50+ rounds on this issue :(

thanx for your help!
 
Sadly the butler creek mags are not rated very well ... if your unit fires the ruger mag with out any problems then it is the BC mag

You can search google for info and tips ... re read the loading instructions of the BC mag .. some speed loaders have to be used very carefully.

Put your OEM mag in the rifle ( empty ) examine the clearences that the bolt has over the feed lips etc. .. then do the same with the BC mag .. then use that experience when reading about mag problems on google.

I you are not experienced take the rifle to an ecperienced person or buy some snap caps 22lr before loading the mags to do the same examination. Snap caps are dummy 22lr rounds .. avoid the plastic ones if you can JMHO ... If you decide to do this step yourself be sure the safety is on SAFE and keep the rifle pointed in a safe direction ..

The steel lip units from BC seem to have a better rating .. but there are people not happy with them also .. ck the mag over carefully for extra plastic or bulges that cause it to sit differently in the mag well than the ruger 10 rounder .. you may need to have it replaced .. borrow one from a friend if possible to make a comparison ..

Google will be your friend here ...
 
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Mine started catching the next round with the spent casing and the bolt would release it, then stop up against the live round that is now blocked from moving forward and up. This is after probably 20000 rounds. I cleaned it really well, then tried an extrac then tried the bolt and then even the trigger group. Somehow putting a quick shot of gun oil between the bolt and receiver fixed it. It's been working fine for a couple weeks
 
You should not have to buy a third party extracter .. I think the mag is setting to high on one end .. American eagle ammo is good to go here ..

You never said if you had problems with the Ruger 10 rounder ....
 
Butler creek steel lips are great I have 4 that work flawlessly. It may be a bad mag but they aint garbage by any means. I couldn't get my drum mag to work at all until I change my extractor and now it works great. You can order them from brownells.
 
I bought a butler creek for mine and will never buy another, nothing but problems with that thing even after trying to smooth the edges with a file. Tried out 2 of the ProMag's today and they work way better.
 
Try some round nose ammo, see if that makes a difference, again you didn't say anthing about the stock 10 rounds and if you have issues with it.
If you don't, it's totally the mag!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I had the same issues with a HC3R mag.
Every rimfire is different!
 
My 10/22 with a Dlask barrel will not extract federal ammo at all. I did get a new extractor and hopefully that helps. TRy using CCI ammo as it runs flawless in my 10/22. Check out cheapgunparts.com. They have a power custom kit that has a new match trigger, match hammer and extractor all for like $79. They ship to Canada too.
 
Gillen1 said:
My 10/22 with a Dlask barrel will not extract federal ammo at all. I did get a new extractor and hopefully that helps. TRy using CCI ammo as it runs flawless in my 10/22. Check out cheapgunparts.com. They have a power custom kit that has a new match trigger, match hammer and extractor all for like $79. They ship to Canada too.
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yeah I picked up some CCI to try out. thanx for the info.

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When I get home I think I'll do a writeup on modding BC steel lips and the 10/22 to work together like they should. Someone remind me in case I forget.
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please do!

I took the gun apart this morning and found the top of the rciever where the bolt rides very rough so I polished it up. I also found a bit of marred metal at the front of the ejection port so I cleaned that up as well. I am really ashamed to say I have never fired the factory mag so next trip out I will try that too and see how it goes.
 
I had issues with my 10/22 (Deluxe Walnut, Stainless 18") (not the wife's birch basic...) on 'bulk' ammo of various sorts, but have not had a FTE since solely putting through CCI Mini-Mags and for more splashy kills, Remington Yellow Jacket... it sometimes has a once every 100 rounds hiccup with Blazer.

The wife's one eats anything from American eagle, super x, to blazer! guess the action doesn't know how much more the stainless and fancy wood is :p haha.
 
Mine will shoot any lead nose but not the copper plated. I used to have extractor issues around that round count due to dirt buildup behind the extractor. Once I dug it out it was fine. Haven't had issue since. over 10000 through now.
 
Your problem has nothing to do with the extractor as the extractor has nothing to do with "extracting" a spent round. It is only there to extract live rounds and control the spent round till it hits the ejector. I would guess that your problem comes from the bolt not cycling fully to the rear on firing. You haven't said how it functions with the stock 10 rounder so it makes it more difficult to diagnose your problem. If it works well with the 10 rounder then the bolt is probably binding on the top of the mag, easy fix:) If the 10 rounder doesn't work either then it is probably a straight bolt binding issue, also an easy fix:)
 
elimsprint said:
Your problem has nothing to do with the extractor as the extractor has nothing to do with "extracting" a spent round. It is only there to extract live rounds and control the spent round till it hits the ejector.
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The trouble with your theory is that if the extractor does not hold the spent shell properly, the ejector doesn't eject the shell outwards, thus causing the "stovepiping". You are correct in that it does not pull the spent shell out of the chamber, but it still needs hold the rim for the ejector pin to eject the case.

All I can say for certain, is that my 10/22 was very troublesome out of the box with many different types of ammo, stock 10 rnd and the steel lips mags, didn't matter. Polishing the action didn't help either, other that it now cycles subsonics. Since I replaced the crudely made stock extractor with a VQ, I have had ZERO troubles with stovepiping in thousands of rounds, compared to roughly one out of ten. It likes any ammo I've tried since the new extractor, the only grief it ever gives now is when it gets really dirty and gummy, for obvious reasons.
 
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