$100,000 worth of rifles.

In the unlikely event that I were inclined to drop $50k on a single gun, I think it would have to be something more exotic than a bolt action; say something along the line of a 4 bore double rifle.

I am legitimately curious as to why David Miller rifles sell for so much more than the products of other top-notch makers such as Martini and Hagn, for example. Is it simply hype, or are they demonstrably better in some way?

As for the Champlin, the wood is beautiful, but Champlin actions are so ugly and clunky looking.
 
tjhaile said:
In the unlikely event that I were inclined to drop $50k on a single gun, I think it would have to be something more exotic than a bolt action; say something along the line of a 4 bore double rifle.

I am legitimately curious as to why David Miller rifles sell for so much more than the products of other top-notch makers such as Martini and Hagn, for example. Is it simply hype, or are they demonstrably better in some way?

As for the Champlin, the wood is beautiful, but Champlin actions are so ugly and clunky looking.
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I've asked the same question, but nobody has been able to list the features.

BTW, the Champlin is a David Miller Custom.
 
Its all relative.

A million marbles will fill a bathtub.....A billion marbles fills an Olympic sized swimming pool.

I spent 6 years working with guys that had several swimming pools worth.....Not that it means anything and it sure as hell doesn't make you any happier, but guys like this will loose more in interest thinking about a 50k purchase than the actual cost of the purchase itself....Run your brain around that one!

When I entered the world of the "super rich" I was shocked to learn just how many guys there are with a 100million dollar net worth. For a guy with this kind of money 50k is pocket change. I mean heck a new pickup costs $60k.
If a guy appreciates the workmanship of David Miller (only a blind man wouldn't) and wants to buy one of his creations....Why not?

Oddly enough after spending time around the rich guys fancy toys I like my simple life and my Remingtons' more than ever.
 
I can appreciate that the sum of the materials does not equal the sum of the products... Ford Mustang vs Ferrari F458.

But, for $50,000 or $100,000 I would want the rifle to be one off... no borrowed or modified actions. Complete custom receiver, bolt, everything. And something mechanically interesting.

But since a Blaser is a pipe dream (and I love the look and feel of their guns), single shot K95 or R93, then the Millers are well...

Lets be happy there are people that can afford this stuff though... just for the trickle down effect.
 
struff55 said:
Most of the comments on these two rifles have confirmed one thing there are not a lot of people out there that understand investment grade firearms .
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Oh, I understand. I'm just not seeing it here.

Ever grabbed a copy of The Robb Report?

Aside from Real Estate listings that make a gun nut's mouth water (ever wanted you own country? Or at least an Island big enough to qualify.) and used Ferrari or HumVee listings (cheap, now that nobody notices you when you drive by in one), there are adverts in there for stuff, as jewelery, that, quite frankly, is on the level of what I would expect as a gift from a grade school student crafts class. Priced for the heavy wallets with no clue.

It's a good place to be advertising. You would not end up working very hard, to make good money. Not the kind of money that the customers have, but good money.

These, as "Investment Firearms" are right up there with a new off the lot Mercedes as an investment. Not so much. In the right crowd, they are an investment in an accoutrement that tells them that you have money like theirs, but as a financial investment, no.

Cheers
Trev
 
janesy said:
I love how right away everyone dislikes them for any reason...I would never buy one even if I had blah blah blah.

I suppose human nature is to oppose what you can't have. Does anyone really need a Lambo, a Ferrari or Maclaren? Hell no, but they are instant heros when they do. It's the same thing. Ask yourself this, if you had enough money that made a $50K gun a reasonable purchase, would you really still buy the savage combo...?

I can tell you right now, without hesitation that if I was able to comfortably spend that much on a gun... I would. $50K to a multimillionaire is like $500 to me and obviously most else on this site. You ain't never seen a hurst pulling a Uhaul have you?
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I think it is more about getting what you pay for. Are those guns really worth that much, even with custom wood etc...?

I know a guy on here (and there are more than him) that posses the craftmanship to make a stock like those, maybe better, for a lot less, even when you add the rifle to it. Now, this is a guy who makes custom carved furniture but I know there are CGN members who can do this just as well.

Back to my first point....Some people think, me included that 50,000 for a rifle is over the top, no matter who made it. I would not buy it as it does not hold that value for me.

I would pay 250,000 or more for a car I liked, and some never would even if it would be chump change for them.

It is all about what things are worth to the individual and most people wouldn't pay 50,000 bucks for a gun even if they could (and if it did give you a bj after each shot).


As mentioned earlier, someone will buy it but that dosen't make it worth it....of course all the firearm experts on here will chime in.
 
They're like art, real value doesn't enter the equation, it's simply how much value someone else sees in it and is willing to pay for it.

That said they're nice enough guns, though the gaudy name engraved on the top looks terrible, something small and elegant would have been far more appropriate.
 
The Miller rifles in the picture are a little gaudy for my tastes but are impressive nonetheless.

Naturally when something a little more refined is posted here the usual chorus of the impoverished comes forth to dismiss and deride a firearm that is beyond their reach both financially and intellectually.

It is like trying to explain Renoir to someone whose idea of fine art is a velvet Elvis.

For those who understand no explanation is necessary.

For those who cannot no explanation is sufficient.
 
janesy said:
I love how right away everyone dislikes them for any reason...I would never buy one even if I had blah blah blah.

I suppose human nature is to oppose what you can't have. Does anyone really need a Lambo, a Ferrari or Maclaren? Hell no, but they are instant heros when they do. It's the same thing. Ask yourself this, if you had enough money that made a $50K gun a reasonable purchase, would you really still buy the savage combo...?

I can tell you right now, without hesitation that if I was able to comfortably spend that much on a gun... I would. $50K to a multimillionaire is like $500 to me and obviously most else on this site. You ain't never seen a hurst pulling a Uhaul have you?
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I sure like looking at nice3ly figured wood and gret execution of metal work, but if Ii could afford that stuff, it would have SXS barrels!:D
Just me though, I know lots of guys do not like doubles.....
Cat
 
struff55 said:
Most of the comments on these two rifles have confirmed one thing there are not a lot of people out there that understand investment grade firearms .
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I cannot wrap my head around buying something (as an investment) that has no inherent qualities that seperate it from other (less expensive) investments.
 
Claybuster said:
Naturally when something a little more refined is posted here the usual chorus of the impoverished comes forth to dismiss and deride a firearm that is beyond their reach both financially and intellectually.
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A huge +1 on that sentiment. While I feel that there are other high-end alternatives I would choose over Miller if I were in a position to do so, I do agree that they are quite impressive. I detect a bit of sour grapes in some of the posts of the haters.

I for one am glad that we don't live in a world where the only rifles are Savage and Tikka economy rifles. Even if one can't afford them, sometimes it is nice to know that fine things exist.

As to the investment angle, I don't think that any new gun, particularly a custom, is truly an investment, given the initial depreciation. Custom guns generally can't be resold for what they cost originally (or at least they don't appreciate at a rate that beats inflation), but the purpose is to get exactly what you want. The sorts of guns I would consider to be "investment grade" would be things like antique Winchesters, pre-war Colts, some milsurps, and the like.
 
Lazy Ike said:
I cannot wrap my head around buying something (as an investment) that has no inherent qualities that seperate it from other (less expensive) investments.
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5% return on $1000 produces less income than 5% return on $100,000.

The fact that they increase in value is probably low on the list of priorities when purchasing these rifles. But nice none the less.
 
Claybuster said:
Naturally when something a little more refined is posted here the usual chorus of the impoverished comes forth to dismiss and deride a firearm that is beyond their reach both financially and intellectually.

It is like trying to explain Renoir to someone whose idea of fine art is a velvet Elvis.

For those who understand no explanation is necessary.

For those who cannot no explanation is sufficient.
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Oh Clay your so Posh... :rolleyes:

So tell us, do you have 2 or 3 assistance like owners of these guns to dress and pack your game for you? :p
 
Calum said:
Oh Clay your so Posh... :rolleyes:
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C'mon, don't pee in other peoples soup just cause your a milsurp buying skinflint:) If you like Budweiser and can afford it, and he likes (insert the name of any other beer because they are all better than Budweiser) and he can afford it, then good on ya.
 
Claybuster said:
Naturally when something a little more refined is posted here the usual chorus of the impoverished comes forth to dismiss and deride a firearm that is beyond their reach both financially and intellectually.
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A little presumptious, no?
 
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