10mm for bear defense
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now back to the bear charging...
just use some reverse animal psychology on him, you know some jedi mind tricks
more seriously is the bite of a 40 cal hitting anywhere on a bear going to disrupt their actions?
will the bear pause in any way if you hit bear center mass? I have to think it would somehow or when this bear attacks it is like a crazed crack head?
fed007
just use some reverse animal psychology on him, you know some jedi mind tricks
more seriously is the bite of a 40 cal hitting anywhere on a bear going to disrupt their actions?
will the bear pause in any way if you hit bear center mass?
I have to think it would somehow or when this bear attacks it is like a crazed crack head?fed007
I doubt the bear if it attacking is going to notice a hit from a gun until it's blood pressure begins to fall or you hit it's nervous system (head/spine). A grizzley bears heart rate is about once every1 1/2 seconds when it is upset so bleeding out is not gong to happen quickly! My thought always has been to shoot until he drops. A shotgun at close range is infinitely better than any handgun but may not be at hand ie when I am fishing. My .45-08 rounds will penetrate, and will come out of the gun fast and accurately - I hope. Black bears are much more dangerous if they decide you are fete de jour. Mostly they are timid and leave the area, but I have no plans to be on top of a menu or take the chance he/she has not read how black bears are timid.
I am told Grizzlies are more likely to view you as a threat they can beat so standing up and making yourself look as big as you can makes sense. I might add that a forester told me at the range when we had a discussion of this topic that laying down and allowing a Grizzley to peck on you is a good option if nothing else is available to you because he is likely to quite once he believes you are no longer a threat. From my perspective that is definitely plan B.
I know the odds of being attacked are quite low but I do buy loto tickets with the hopes of winning so being prepared to me is a smart option.
Where I live there are lots of bears of both kinds, fortunately very few Pumas or Mountain Lions if you prefer. They to me are probably more dangerous in that you may never know they are about to attack until it is to late.
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I am told Grizzlies are more likely to view you as a threat they can beat so standing up and making yourself look as big as you can makes sense. I might add that a forester told me at the range when we had a discussion of this topic that laying down and allowing a Grizzley to peck on you is a good option if nothing else is available to you because he is likely to quite once he believes you are no longer a threat. From my perspective that is definitely plan B.
I know the odds of being attacked are quite low but I do buy loto tickets with the hopes of winning so being prepared to me is a smart option.
Where I live there are lots of bears of both kinds, fortunately very few Pumas or Mountain Lions if you prefer. They to me are probably more dangerous in that you may never know they are about to attack until it is to late.
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My favorite is still my winchester defender with 7 rounds of slugs & buckshot. Mind you is does no good leaning against the tree....
If I had a choice, it'd be a 1911, double stack .45. I'd think a 10mm would be fine if you can shoot it under that pressure. Practice, Practice, Practice.
I've met bears in remote areas before. Sows with cubs are the most dangerous, but I've only encountered them from a distance on rare trips. Never been charged in over 20 encounters. Mostly black bears. Be smart and pay attention to your surroundings, keep food & waste containded, and bears will be nice to look at.
Having a pistol, or any firearm for protection can lead to a false sense of security. I'm not saying don't bring one, but the best defense is no encounter at all. I've met plenty of stupid people who fail to take precautions just because they have a firearm.
If I had a choice, it'd be a 1911, double stack .45. I'd think a 10mm would be fine if you can shoot it under that pressure. Practice, Practice, Practice.
I've met bears in remote areas before. Sows with cubs are the most dangerous, but I've only encountered them from a distance on rare trips. Never been charged in over 20 encounters. Mostly black bears. Be smart and pay attention to your surroundings, keep food & waste containded, and bears will be nice to look at.
Having a pistol, or any firearm for protection can lead to a false sense of security. I'm not saying don't bring one, but the best defense is no encounter at all. I've met plenty of stupid people who fail to take precautions just because they have a firearm.
jjackman
You are bang on there. Best to avoid them. Chased off the golf course up here when we heard a rather upset Grizzley about 100 yards from us. Didn't stick around to take a peek at it.
My first chambered round in my shotgun is buck shot to blind the bear followed by slugs. Unfortunately as you know when you are river fishing the gun is more likely going to be by your back pack than beside you. The 1911 .45 loaded with .45-08 cartridges is ok (7 for the bear one for me).
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You are bang on there. Best to avoid them. Chased off the golf course up here when we heard a rather upset Grizzley about 100 yards from us. Didn't stick around to take a peek at it.
My first chambered round in my shotgun is buck shot to blind the bear followed by slugs. Unfortunately as you know when you are river fishing the gun is more likely going to be by your back pack than beside you. The 1911 .45 loaded with .45-08 cartridges is ok (7 for the bear one for me).
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The .45-08 cartridge is made from .308 cartridges cut down to .898 length. The cases are then reamed out to .452. I will not publish loads because some idiot my try loading them in a regular .45acp case. Gunnar who posts here developed the cartridge and cases and loads may be gotten from him via http://www.armco-guns.com/ @ $1.00 per case. Gunnar reports 1500 fps out of his gun but loads his rounds a bit stiffer than I do. My loadings which are conservative drive a 200 gr hardcast LSWC 1,350 fps. The only mods required are a 20+ lb recoil spring and a shok buff. I high quality 1911 should be used. I use my Norinco A1 - the steel in the Norks is hard.
If you decide to load this cartridge I suggest weighing each charge.
Recoil is a bit stiffer than a .357Mag/.45Colt loaded heavy.
Great bear gun, way faster than a wheel gun.
I can fire my 1911 just about as fast with this cartridge as my .45acp and just as accurately which is more important.
If you contact Gunnar tell them where you got the initial info from.
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If you decide to load this cartridge I suggest weighing each charge.
Recoil is a bit stiffer than a .357Mag/.45Colt loaded heavy.
Great bear gun, way faster than a wheel gun.
I can fire my 1911 just about as fast with this cartridge as my .45acp and just as accurately which is more important.
If you contact Gunnar tell them where you got the initial info from.
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Prospector with ATC for BC and soon Alberta
10mm
44mag
45 Colt
454 Casull
I'm also looking at a S&W model 60 5 shot 5" barrel 357 mag.
I love the 10mm's but have started carrying my double action S&W 629 6" 44 mag and SRH 7.5" 454 Casull revolvers due to their reliability, speed of reloading and power.
10mm
44mag
45 Colt
454 Casull
I'm also looking at a S&W model 60 5 shot 5" barrel 357 mag.
I love the 10mm's but have started carrying my double action S&W 629 6" 44 mag and SRH 7.5" 454 Casull revolvers due to their reliability, speed of reloading and power.
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How about an ATC in Ontario for Prospectors ?
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Hey folks. I am a late arrival to this thread. After reading all the posts, I am curious about 2 things: (I do a lot of back woods travel in Northern BC)
1. Being neither trapper or prospector, how do I go about justifying my request for a Carry permit (need a good handgun because sure as heck, the one time I leave my 870 strapped to my pack and I go to use the little boys tree, I will come face to face with a Grizz)
and
2. I have come into the ownership of a Webley Mk6 revolver and am curious how the .455 would stack up against them wild critters. I am kind of fond of the old girl and know it is a damn reliable sidearm.
Any input would be appreciated.
1. Being neither trapper or prospector, how do I go about justifying my request for a Carry permit (need a good handgun because sure as heck, the one time I leave my 870 strapped to my pack and I go to use the little boys tree, I will come face to face with a Grizz)
and
2. I have come into the ownership of a Webley Mk6 revolver and am curious how the .455 would stack up against them wild critters. I am kind of fond of the old girl and know it is a damn reliable sidearm.
Any input would be appreciated.
Bobo-the-monkey
I thnk your .455 Webley would be a tad light for what you might run into and pretty slow to fire rapidly. You are SOL as far as getting an ATt UNLESS you get a free miners license ($25.00), and decide you want to part-time pan for gold while you are back packing. IF that were the case you then proceed to apply for your ATT as you have a right to one IF you are propecting.
I know I do a lot of prospecting in the spring and summer. You might want to do it as well. The scenery is so nice and who knows you might get rich.
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I thnk your .455 Webley would be a tad light for what you might run into and pretty slow to fire rapidly. You are SOL as far as getting an ATt UNLESS you get a free miners license ($25.00), and decide you want to part-time pan for gold while you are back packing. IF that were the case you then proceed to apply for your ATT as you have a right to one IF you are propecting.
I know I do a lot of prospecting in the spring and summer. You might want to do it as well. The scenery is so nice and who knows you might get rich.
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Bobo unfortunately as of now, a backwoods enthusiast cannot legally carry a handgun for protection. Stupid Canadian gun law but that is the way it has been set up.
I have been in the same position as you for most of my life and it wasn't until 3 years ago when I started working full time as a prospector that I was finally able to carry handguns legally.
This is one of the handgun laws that I want to discuss with Ed Fast my new CPC MP. If we where all able to carry handguns for defense it will be more difficult for the Lieberals to say we don't have legit reasons for them.
Now about your Webley Mk6 455 revolver. Yes it would work but the 455 cartridge is an anemic round and would not be a cartridge that I would consider for bear protection.
I have been in the same position as you for most of my life and it wasn't until 3 years ago when I started working full time as a prospector that I was finally able to carry handguns legally.
This is one of the handgun laws that I want to discuss with Ed Fast my new CPC MP. If we where all able to carry handguns for defense it will be more difficult for the Lieberals to say we don't have legit reasons for them.
Now about your Webley Mk6 455 revolver. Yes it would work but the 455 cartridge is an anemic round and would not be a cartridge that I would consider for bear protection.
I was thinking about this thread today while mucking about with my Para 14-45 LTD.
I was wondering how a SA auto pistol would be carried in the bush for bear defense, and how the lever safety coud easily be bumped off, but it does have a rear grip safety, anyway.
Of course, then I thought that I personally never chamber a shell in my 12 guage until I run into a bear, anyways, so if using a SA auto, why not just leave the chamber empty for additional safety.
Sort of a funny problem, I know that lots of people have carried cocked and locked 1911's safely, however, they are usually not working in the bush at the time.
I was wondering how a SA auto pistol would be carried in the bush for bear defense, and how the lever safety coud easily be bumped off, but it does have a rear grip safety, anyway.
Of course, then I thought that I personally never chamber a shell in my 12 guage until I run into a bear, anyways, so if using a SA auto, why not just leave the chamber empty for additional safety.
Sort of a funny problem, I know that lots of people have carried cocked and locked 1911's safely, however, they are usually not working in the bush at the time.
My new Mernickle holster for my Colt Delta Elite 10mm has a thumb break retention strap and the only way that I can lock the strap into place is if the hammer is in the cocked position, other wise the strap is to short due to the hammer being in the way.
I will carry this gun 2 ways when using this holster.
1. With the hammer cocked on a empty chamber and a full mag.
2. With the hammer cocked safety on with a round in the chamber (cocked & locked) and a top off mag.
I will and do use the second carry method far more than the first with this gun.
Here is another example, 99% of the time that I carry my Glock 20 10mm it is with a full mag and a round in the chamber as well.
I also carry my revolvers with every chamber loaded.
I will carry this gun 2 ways when using this holster.
1. With the hammer cocked on a empty chamber and a full mag.
2. With the hammer cocked safety on with a round in the chamber (cocked & locked) and a top off mag.
I will and do use the second carry method far more than the first with this gun.
Here is another example, 99% of the time that I carry my Glock 20 10mm it is with a full mag and a round in the chamber as well.
I also carry my revolvers with every chamber loaded.
I carry my Norinco/Para SSP in the bush Cocked & Locked. If in my shoulder holster it has a strap to retain it and it goes under the hammer, otherwise it is in one of Andy's 22H holsters and I don't give it a moments notice. Unless you pull the trigger the gun is not going off. Carrying a gun without a round in the chamber for bear defense is carrying your gun for a club and it is capable of much more...you aren't goin gto have a whole lot of time if you are attacked by a bear where I live so getting a round off in a hurray is objective #1.
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This topic makes Me SICK!! I live in New Brunswick and I am a full time Guide I work every day of Bear season and one month before (April, May, June, August, September, October) scouting thickets and baiting. I am legaly not allowed to carry any firearm PERIOD while guiding.
