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colt45gunner said:
Many have said similar thing and here's why I think is very wrong way to think like that..
IPSC is about guns, shooting and having fun.. PERIOD !! any politics that take place, usually don't affect the members in general for going out and playing with guns and shooting and bang bang fun..... the politics will ALWAYS BE THERE regardless of whom the board of directors are !!
Anyone avoiding shooting ipsc or other disciplines cause of silly politics, are the only ones loosing out on the fun that sport brings and the good folks and friendships you'll meet/make !

Re: IPSC forum....it's a separte thing from the actually sport, matches and shooting fun....so again, little politics on a discussion forum have TOTALLY nothing to do with the game itself and doesn't affect the game itself, whatosever !! So who cares about the politics in direct regards to the shooting fun of being a member, etc...!!!

Re: Euxx: you weren't banned from being a web guy cause the new board just wanted you out !!! Just because you do have NO people skills and many people hate you..... it had nothing to do with your removal of web guy for ipsc ontario...
Actually, your tons of hours were greatly appreciated. But, You WERE a volunteer to do that and you're suppose to follow the direction of the board of directors on: please change this, or please add a drop down window for this, or please add link to do this or that...
As a volunteer, of which your tons of work was greatly appreciated, you DO NOT have the right to say NO, to requests from the board of directors, and repeatedly say NO... you're job as volunteer is to adhere to the such requests. You're input on if that revision is a good one or if is useful change or not, is appreciated and taken into consideration, but is not, again to repeat, is not your right to say NO i will not make that revisions, etc...
so your continued insubordination as web guy caused your removal, cause ipsc ontario shouldn't have to fight, argue, debate these with you !!! Was there a hidden agenda against you ? I'm not familiar with one, except that most don't like your lack of people skills (to be polite), but otherwise, I believe everyone was fine with you as a web guy, as long as you didn't act as if you owned it, cause you volunteered... Just to put it into perspective for everyone.

re: being banned for posting on other forums. I don't agree with it either, and the rules are in the middle of re-consideration and discussion. So ya'll be patient to see what changes are made and we'll go from there.
There is general consensus from the board that the rules are being governed heavy handed and with some over sensitivity levels, thus the revisions being in motion.
After all, as I stated above, the forum is total separate issue than the generality of the sport itself...and directors of the board in regards to the sport itself are doing the every day things that need to be done to keep the sport moving forward, providing support to clubs that ask for it, etc.. etc... so the forum having some issues is stupid reason to not want to shoot ipsc.... IMHO.

CHRIS, your ban, by current rules, would on paper, be justified....but there is some reasons to argue against it, of which will be discussed further.
Again, cause the rules are what they are currently, so they have to (I guess) be adhered too.....but this rule about being banned for what you say on other forum, may not be in new set of rules.....again, it's all under discussion right now... Not every board member agrees with all the current rules and how they have been governed..

Main point: Getting up every morning and choosing to go practice, or set up a match, shoot the match and have tons of fun, go out for with buddies after match, etc... is not affected by some silly forum issues !!
Get out there and have fun !!!
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This guy gets it. Well said.
 
Andy said:
And we talk about hockey parents. This is just a grown-ups game yet it's taken so seriously. This sort of childish crap does drive people away because it happens in the place where so many hear about the game - the Interwebs. All the more reason to leave out the trophies - they inevitably remove a lot of the "fun" aspect.
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Agree.. lets not keep score and give pins to all shooters after the match !!! :eek: ;) :dancingbanana:
 
HI; Yes it all has a effect. I have seen what has happened to another shooting organization and they do not understand that the loud voices scare shooters away.


Howdy Kanada Kid
 
Quigley said:
Ooops...for a sec there I thought you said Gazpacho :confused:. I must need more hot coffee (or cold soup)

Looking forward to shooting this year :sniper:. Missed the range...did not miss the politics
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OMG I am not the only one. Ya this is horse pucky and it why we true gun lovers need to start a new group that is not full of this high school horse shiite. If anyone in Ottawa wants to start a unpretentious tactical shooting group let me know. I won't say anything bad about any other group but it seems like there is room for the dorks and geeks who didn't get in to the football team or were kicked out of cool table.
 
coreyd said:
Stavros... did you really say Eugene as a volunteer has no rights to say no to a request from the board? Why are you posting in this thread from two different accounts?
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Yes, I said he as volunteer, can't say no to a request from the board !! He can say no, I can't before the weekend cause I'm busy, or similar things as he's a volunteer, board can't demand he do right away or something unfair, but as a volunteer doing something he's nice enough to do, can't say yes, I will add that link..oh, but no I will not add that other link, cause I don't like that link !! he's not an employee, but he can't pick and choose what revisions to make.
He can say, I'll work on the forum, but i will not work on the ipsc site or i will not shoot a match naked.... volunteer cant say, I'll help serve soup to homeless but not to jewish or black people...I'll refuse that but go back to serving others.. etc... ?

Get it ??!! if he's doing the work, great, thanks so much !!! but can't refuse something that's in the description of his duties for such..

And why can't I reply with either account ? Though it was an oversight on my part from being on that account... but who cares ? is it against the rules ? If so, oops... sorry and sue me.
 
colt45gunner said:
And why can't I reply with either account ? Though it was an oversight on my part from being on that account... but who cares ? is it against the rules ? If so, oops... sorry and sue me.
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It used to be...

I remember at one point...if someone was caught on GunNutz with Multiple accounts it was an instant ban.
 
Forget the groundhog. The TRUE sign spring is coming is IPSC Shooters going shack-wacky.

And here we are.

Chris, no need to apologize to me, (and it’s Canadian Regional Director) gunnutz & other forums have been around awhile; you aren’t the first to have a b#t#h-fest on the internet and you won’t be the last. Unfortunately, the thing you do have in common with them and the people to come is that it doesn’t make a difference. No well-run organization is ever going to be directed by the comments on a public internet forum. It will always be directed by its direct interaction with its membership via its elected board.

I’m sorry, but I don’t have any sympathy for those of you complaining about Ontario’s board or how it is running things. Last year, IPSC Ontario had 4 board members acclaimed to their positions. 4 positions were available to direct the organization; an actual majority – and there was no competition for the positions. How can anyone think they have the right to complain when they didn’t even make the effort to get involved?

Want change? Run for the position, campaign with like-minded people, support a candidate, make alliances and talk in person (or as I like to put it - within choking distance) with people you disagree with and explain to them why your point is right.

For those of you who chose not to shoot IPSC because of these silly internet whining threads, sorry - you’re either naive - making a mistake by missing out or you were never going to play anyway and this is a convenient excuse. (Yeah, we’re on to you.) This is such a very small part of the sport. It’s a part that will always be around, though. IPSC is a competitive sport. Our best are passionate about their sport. They dedicate thousands of dollars & thousands of hours to get good at our sport. Would I like them to leave? NEVER! You have to respect people like Eugene, Pat, Kent, Alex, Chris and of course, the IPSC Ontario board for their passion and love of the sport. They wouldn’t fight if they didn’t care. It would be nice if they’d funnel their passion somewhere other than a public forum that’s not going to do them any good, though.

IPSC is the biggest, most popular handgun sport in Canada. We have thousands of matches in the country each year, we have over 3000 active members, we are growing every year and our best are the best with handguns in this country – period. We must be doing something (actually, a lot of things –) right.

I travel this country each year to shoot matches for the high level of competition, to see friends from coast to coast and to share the camaraderie before, during and after the events. I can’t recommend the experience enough. It truly is a great thing.

Ok, that’s my only sermon – please return to your previous argument.
Looking forward to seeing most of you in person this summer!
 
Freedom Ventures said:
Forget the groundhog. The TRUE sign spring is coming is IPSC Shooters going shack-wacky.

And here we are.

Chris, no need to apologize to me, (and it’s Canadian Regional Director) gunnutz & other forums have been around awhile; you aren’t the first to have a b#t#h-fest on the internet and you won’t be the last. Unfortunately, the thing you do have in common with them and the people to come is that it doesn’t make a difference. No well-run organization is ever going to be directed by the comments on a public internet forum. It will always be directed by its direct interaction with its membership via its elected board.

I’m sorry, but I don’t have any sympathy for those of you complaining about Ontario’s board or how it is running things. Last year, IPSC Ontario had 4 board members acclaimed to their positions. 4 positions were available to direct the organization; an actual majority – and there was no competition for the positions. How can anyone think they have the right to complain when they didn’t even make the effort to get involved?

Want change? Run for the position, campaign with like-minded people, support a candidate, make alliances and talk in person (or as I like to put it - within choking distance) with people you disagree with and explain to them why your point is right.

For those of you who chose not to shoot IPSC because of these silly internet whining threads, sorry - you’re either naive - making a mistake by missing out or you were never going to play anyway and this is a convenient excuse. (Yeah, we’re on to you.) This is such a very small part of the sport. It’s a part that will always be around, though. IPSC is a competitive sport. Our best are passionate about their sport. They dedicate thousands of dollars & thousands of hours to get good at our sport. Would I like them to leave? NEVER! You have to respect people like Eugene, Pat, Kent, Alex, Chris and of course, the IPSC Ontario board for their passion and love of the sport. They wouldn’t fight if they didn’t care. It would be nice if they’d funnel their passion somewhere other than a public forum that’s not going to do them any good, though.

IPSC is the biggest, most popular handgun sport in Canada. We have thousands of matches in the country each year, we have over 3000 active members, we are growing every year and our best are the best with handguns in this country – period. We must be doing something (actually, a lot of things –) right.

I travel this country each year to shoot matches for the high level of competition, to see friends from coast to coast and to share the camaraderie before, during and after the events. I can’t recommend the experience enough. It truly is a great thing.

Ok, that’s my only sermon – please return to your previous argument.
Looking forward to seeing most of you in person this summer!
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Thanks for this Sean. Emotions got the best of me. See you in July!
 
Freedom Ventures said:
....For those of you who chose not to shoot IPSC because of these silly internet whining threads, sorry - you’re either naive - making a mistake by missing out or you were never going to play anyway and this is a convenient excuse. (Yeah, we’re on to you.) This is such a very small part of the sport.
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It may be "a very small part of the sport" but for those not involved in ipsc, it is the face of the sport - it is naive to think otherwise. I don't shoot ipsc but I know cbabes and 7.62mm well enough to know they are good guys so when I see threads like these pop up, I shake my head. To discount the effect these kinds of threads have is a convenient excuse to not change IMO.
 
coreyd said:
stavros... he can say no anytime he wants. if the board doesnt like it, replace him but never ever say that someone doesnt have the right to say no.
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Basically you agree with me. sure he can say no, it's called free will. you know what I mean. so no need to argue.
Yes, I'm allowed to have a personal and business account. I try to post separate but forget which I'm on sometimes.

Good points Sean.
 
kanada kidd said:
If people don't like drama and politics, why would they join IPSC?
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I joined IPSC to compete and shoot matches, and to build/run/officiate matches to give back to the community.

I chose not to partake in the dramas and politics. Not in shooting, not in real life. Just a personal preference. Waste of time and bandwidth.

Srsly ... if you ignore all the drama queens and the gear-snobs (there is always at least one in your squad), it's a great sport!

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OPA Extreme said:
Basically you agree with me. sure he can say no, it's called free will. you know what I mean. so no need to argue.
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Not to crap in anyone's soup or stir the pot...but was there a formal (written and signed) transfer of ownership of the Intellectual Property (IP) from the developer (Eugene) to the end user (IPSC Ontario)?
 
Quigley said:
Not to crap in anyone's soup or stir the pot...but was there a formal (written and signed) transfer of ownership of the Intellectual Property (IP) from the developer (Eugene) to the end user (IPSC Ontario)?
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You should probably send that question to the board preferably via email.
 
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